Anonymous wrote:https://rescue911.fandom.com/wiki/Heatstroke_Hiker (text version of a tv show from 1990)

19-yo girl almost dies of heatstroke on a short hike near Las Vegas while hiking back down to their car.

I've been to Red Rock in August and went maybe half a mile in before turning around. It's no joke when it's that hot and there is no shade regardless of how much water you have.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

It was only in the 70s-80s for most of the morning. With no humidity that’s nothing. We frequently hiked with our babies on weekend mornings, and went home for lunch/nap before 11 AM.

Babies are often up at 5 or 6 am, they could have gone out super early.

You are not correct re the temperature from what has been reported, and we don’t know when they left. LE initially said afternoon. Here are the readings that Sunday from El Portal, just a couple miles away, but at a higher (cooler) elevation than where they were found:

6:51AM 73F 49%
7:51AM 77°F 47%
8:51AM 85°F 37%
9:51AM 92°F 28%
10:51AM 99°F 22%
11:51AM 103°F 20%
12:51PM 107°F 17%
1:51PM 108°F 16%
2:51PM 109°F 16%
3:51PM 107°F 18%
4:51PM 105°F 19%
5:51PM 101°F 22%
6:51PM 98°F 24%
7:51PM 94°F 28%

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

Check the mother’s Instagram. They were adventure seekers with at least three trips to deserts in the last five years.

Maybe they didn’t think it was a big deal or maybe they wanted to acclimate the baby to heat as soon as possible so they could get back to their ‘normal’ life.

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Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

Not to play Devil’s advocate but OJ Simpson comes to mind..

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

Check the mother’s Instagram. They were adventure seekers with at least three trips to deserts in the last five years.

Maybe they didn’t think it was a big deal or maybe they wanted to acclimate the baby to heat as soon as possible so they could get back to their ‘normal’ life.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

It was only in the 70s-80s for most of the morning. With no humidity that’s nothing. We frequently hiked with our babies on weekend mornings, and went home for lunch/nap before 11 AM.

Babies are often up at 5 or 6 am, they could have gone out super early.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

Distance to a car is completely irrelevant.

+1 Based on the info we have, we don’t know if they did a loop of 6 or 7 miles,, a down and back, or something else. We do know that the fastest way back to their truck from the location where the bodies were found is a steep incline with elevation gains variously reported as 1500 or 2000 ft over that distance.

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

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Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

Not to play Devil’s advocate but OJ Simpson comes to mind..

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.