Anonymous
09/19/2020 17:57
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.
Actually it is 5%. Nobody died.
I meant of undergrads--there it's around 7%, so likely a lot more than that. 8% is the lowest reasonable estimate. I'm not going to get into the whole issue of caring about it mattering if any students have died yet (I hope, hope hope we don't ever get into that situation). But that's a high enough rate that others off-campus likely have been impacted that aren't tracked in these numbers. Congregate settings + covid just suck--especially ones where the people then go out and mix with a larger world. Our NOVA neighborhood right now is flooded with JMU kids coming home, many of them quite sick. (And I think it's worse that they got sent home--so kudos to ND to keeping the students after the outbreak--but JMU is not a rich school and its capacity was overwhelmed). I think we should really look at what the schools that didn't let outbreaks happen and don't have a handful of cases trickling in each day are doing.
Unless an independently funded outside firm is doing the treating and public results reporting for schools, it’s hard to make great comparisons. My guess would that a lot of schools with very low numbers either have many students from low-Covid areas or are fudging the numbers.
No, they are small schools in small towns. All Kids live on campus. Kids were tested upon arrival and there is surveillance testing. Rules (about masking, social distancing, dorm visitation, travel restrictions) are being enforced. They are not fudging their numbers.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 17:48
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
I think it is a scary disease. However, my DD, who is not at Notre Dame, is back at college. They are doing fine. Honestly, I am more worried about myself going out shopping with strangers than her with students that are being tested on a regular basis and using precautions. Life is risk. I have also been in two major car accidents within the past 3 years. So, I figure our numbers are not up yet.
Anonymous
09/19/2020 15:35
Subject: Re:Is Notre Dame screwing up?
So, 700 total cases with 90% already recovered. How many hospitalizations were there?
Why exactly is this not being treated like the flu? As long as the elderly and otherwise vulnerable are isolated from potential carriers, why should anyone be worried about an outbreak, no matter its size?
Why exactly is this not being treated like the flu? As long as the elderly and otherwise vulnerable are isolated from potential carriers, why should anyone be worried about an outbreak, no matter its size?
Anonymous
09/19/2020 12:40
Subject: Re:Is Notre Dame screwing up?
I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/
Anonymous
09/18/2020 15:25
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.
Actually it is 5%. Nobody died.
I meant of undergrads--there it's around 7%, so likely a lot more than that. 8% is the lowest reasonable estimate. I'm not going to get into the whole issue of caring about it mattering if any students have died yet (I hope, hope hope we don't ever get into that situation). But that's a high enough rate that others off-campus likely have been impacted that aren't tracked in these numbers. Congregate settings + covid just suck--especially ones where the people then go out and mix with a larger world. Our NOVA neighborhood right now is flooded with JMU kids coming home, many of them quite sick. (And I think it's worse that they got sent home--so kudos to ND to keeping the students after the outbreak--but JMU is not a rich school and its capacity was overwhelmed). I think we should really look at what the schools that didn't let outbreaks happen and don't have a handful of cases trickling in each day are doing.
Unless an independently funded outside firm is doing the treating and public results reporting for schools, it’s hard to make great comparisons. My guess would that a lot of schools with very low numbers either have many students from low-Covid areas or are fudging the numbers.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 17:24
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.
Actually it is 5%. Nobody died.
I meant of undergrads--there it's around 7%, so likely a lot more than that. 8% is the lowest reasonable estimate. I'm not going to get into the whole issue of caring about it mattering if any students have died yet (I hope, hope hope we don't ever get into that situation). But that's a high enough rate that others off-campus likely have been impacted that aren't tracked in these numbers. Congregate settings + covid just suck--especially ones where the people then go out and mix with a larger world. Our NOVA neighborhood right now is flooded with JMU kids coming home, many of them quite sick. (And I think it's worse that they got sent home--so kudos to ND to keeping the students after the outbreak--but JMU is not a rich school and its capacity was overwhelmed). I think we should really look at what the schools that didn't let outbreaks happen and don't have a handful of cases trickling in each day are doing.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 16:33
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.
Actually it is 5%. Nobody died.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 16:16
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 16:09
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 14:52
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 14:43
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:I think the next few days will be really telling. That's when positive cases will start showing up if they happened during the football game last weekend.
Fingers crossed the numbers stay where they are.
Positivity rate is 1.3% That is definitely acceptable and something to be proud about after that spike. Today, there were six cases out of over 800. 5 were diagnostic...1 was from a surveillance. there might be an uptick from the game...but if they can keep that managed, they will be good. Go Irish.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 14:16
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
I think the next few days will be really telling. That's when positive cases will start showing up if they happened during the football game last weekend.
Fingers crossed the numbers stay where they are.
Fingers crossed the numbers stay where they are.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 14:02
Subject: Re:Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can we please end this thread? There’s nothing here anymore. Here are a whole bunch of other schools in much worse shape that you can over analyze. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lifestyle/college-campuses-19-25-worst-050558996.html
Let it go.
On that "list" (far cry from any real data)you should note that most the schools have more students than NDs, who mainly live off-campus and they are all under-resourced public schools. SO, yes, ND is beating a few in that group. Go Irish. Now compare ND to their peers. I have nothing against ND, think it's a great school, but I analyze higher ed data for a living and think they are distorting the picture here. But I'm done checking this thread, so you can keep posting their charts that make 8-14 cases in a day look like a blip, and agree they made no mistakes only missteps and should be a model to all institutions everywhere because they are nearly close to where other similar institutions are after screwing up so badly.
Seven day moving average is 6 cases a day, so not sure where you are getting our 8-14 cases. I know you just want to pick the highest days to suit your narrative. ND is doing awesome. Please find another school that had a spike like this and tamped it down. There are NONE.
Their 7 day moving average always figures in the last days that don't have full test data--and they have typically have a day or two where they conduct virtually no tests which also brings down the "average" -- so, yeah, I don't use their "averages." THey tamped down a truly awful outbreak, but their daily rates are still high for their size and a residential campus. There is not another residential private school that let it get as bad as they did, so yes there are no comparatives. But I'm just not willing to agree that's a good thing.
Anonymous
09/17/2020 10:35
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening
Anonymous
09/17/2020 09:28
Subject: Is Notre Dame screwing up?
Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp