Anonymous wrote:There is no good reason to restrict the voting window and mail-in ballots. In fact, some states, Hawaii, Utah, Washington, Oregon, have full on mail-in ballots.

No fraud.
No lines.
Paper trail.

Zero issues.

It is crazy insane what these red states are doing.

Why do you assume that everyone should vote? If they care then they'll make little bit of effort. Noone is preventing them from voting. The point of politics is to win.

There is no good reason to restrict the voting window and mail-in ballots. In fact, some states, Hawaii, Utah, Washington, Oregon, have full on mail-in ballots.

No fraud.
No lines.
Paper trail.

Zero issues.

It is crazy insane what these red states are doing.

I support voter ID laws, if they are accompanied by laws to make it ALOT easier to get an ID. Republicans say they want the former but never the latter. It shouldn't take half a day during banker's hours to get an ID. So I don't support voter ID laws. It's pretty simple.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

While the PP in the post above mine has great arguments about voter ID, THESE BILLS ARE NOT ABOUT VOTER ID - THESE STATES ALREADY HAVE VOTER ID LAWS AND ARE PROPOSING BILLS RESTRICTING VOTING IN EVERY OTHER AREA. So maybe get a new argument. TIA!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

What problem are you solving for? Voter fraud is extremely rare. So why jump through all of the hoops?

The only problem we're trying to solve is Democrat votes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

What problem are you solving for? Voter fraud is extremely rare. So why jump through all of the hoops?

Minor question? What if you lose your wallet? Some states require new ID to be mailed out and it can take a few weeks. And even if you live where it can be instantly issued you have to have ID to prove identity. I had to renew my drivers license last year, and no longer had a Social Security card, had not seen my birth certificate for years, and didn't know where my marriage license was. The birth certificate was out of state so I had to mail in a form (the state does not do it online although the state where I live does). Getting replacement copies cost me money as well. In the end it was around $50 to renew my license and took 3-4 weeks before I had all the documents I needed. And I had only one name change in my life and have been at the same address for 20 years. Of course, with COVID I had to get an appointment to go in for the renewal.


A lot of poor people do not have stable housing. In between having a rental lease, they spend time staying with friends and relatives or shelters. Often times in the process things get lost. You get evicted, you have no place to go, sheriff comes, everything is tossed on the curb, you're trying to grab what you need immediately while your kids are asking you questions and people are staring at you. Or you get a storage unit, but comes a month when you can't pay the storage bill. Or you stash stuff in a friend's garage or basement but later have no way to get there to retrieve it and eventually they throw it out or move. And getting any kind of paperwork maybe means 3 buses and hauling a few kids around with you. And maybe you have a job where you don't know your schedule for the week until the week is happening.

BUT--I was able to get the birth certificate because I HAD my ID. I first got my drivers license in the state where I now live because I already had a license in my previous state. I'd had that license since 1970. I didn't even have a social security card then and no recollection whether my birth certificate was required to get it--back then we could actually do it all at our high school (driver's ed was free and the examiner came to the school).

Journalists have written about elderly people who have simply never had ID and got through life without it until the last decade when after voting in elections for 60 years or more they were not allowed to vote. They absolutely do exist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

What problem are you solving for? Voter fraud is extremely rare. So why jump through all of the hoops?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-requests-mail-ballot-third-time-after-pushing-election-fraud-claims-about-voting-process-1574604

Despite his unsubstantiated claims about mail-in voting during the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump requested a mail ballot for the third time on Friday.

What is Trump's excuse?

Anonymous wrote:

There’s a very reliable way to make sure your vote counts: SHOW UP!!!

No excuses for not showing ID; you need it at the DMV, to fly, cash a check, and much less. If you have to work or have bad health, request an absentee ballot. There. Done..... and other brain busters?

Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with early voting?

The people who use it.

If there were statistics that said short people are more likely to vote Democratic then they'd ban step stools.

What is wrong with early voting?

Anonymous wrote:This is the only thing the GOP is good at. They're not good at actually governing. They don't even try.

It’s true. They even flee the country rather than try to assist their constitutents.

This is the only thing the GOP is good at. They're not good at actually governing. They don't even try.

Hugely important thread here. Republican state legislatures are already working on stealing the next election.