Anonymous
09/07/2022 00:42
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Ty for confirming her writing. I almost posted the same article, but I’m currently in a happy place at my school. Posters like you are so gross. She tells a story of a time when she was on lockdown for hours for a potential shooting and you still just laugh it off
Democratic Party talking points? This is a woman’s personal experience. I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people to be this cold hearted
+1
Apparently the PP thinks rare school shootings are acceptable.
Yup and bring on lockdown while one your students get arrested it's NBD. Talk about being heartless.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 20:37
Subject: Why is there a teacher shortage?
So in my career as a teacher, a bank robber get into the school and walk by me in the hallway. We figured it out only after we found the exploded dye packs on fake money by the door he walked through. It was right at bus time but right after students had left so the doors were still unlocked. It never made the news out of FCPS, MD. I certainly wasn’t going to risk my job telling anyone. That was about 12 years ago. Recently, I was at Magruder where a 15 year old almost died due to a ghost gun.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 15:31
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
DP. No, not acceptable, but a tiny risk compared to other parts of daily life, like driving to work. So it's certainly reasonable to want to do something about them, but it is completely irrational to make personal life decisions based on them as potential risks.
It's a tiny risk, but one that school systems have decided to incorporate into daily operational procedures. It's why we have a security guard, and why they installed shatterproof window coverings so the windows are all foggy, and why the doors are all locked so every time kids go to the bathroom they have to knock and interrupt lessons to get back into the room, and why some doors are badge access only, and why parents can't visit without an appointment on record in the office, and why, of course, we have to practice lockdowns four times a year and answer questions from students about what will happen if there is a shooter. My fifth-grade students have definitely thought about some worst-case scenarios.
We had a lockdown in my school in which we thought there was a shooter (turned out to be a shooting outside the building) and the fact that students and staff were afraid they were going to die was completely unaddressed. It was totally "no danger, phew, wasn't that luck! On with the day!"
It's not a reason that I would leave teaching, but it's an aspect of teaching that was not present when I started.
he more something is practiced, the more emphasis we place on it and the more it seeps into our subconscious. The teacher was reflecting what the active shooting drills have told teachers, that you are in danger. As teachers, we were even incorrectly told by our administration that if we don’t follow the protocol of lockdown and kids die, it is on us.
Yes, exactly.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 14:13
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Ty for confirming her writing. I almost posted the same article, but I’m currently in a happy place at my school. Posters like you are so gross. She tells a story of a time when she was on lockdown for hours for a potential shooting and you still just laugh it off
Democratic Party talking points? This is a woman’s personal experience. I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people to be this cold hearted
+1
Apparently the PP thinks rare school shootings are acceptable.
DP. No, not acceptable, but a tiny risk compared to other parts of daily life, like driving to work. So it's certainly reasonable to want to do something about them, but it is completely irrational to make personal life decisions based on them as potential risks.
Society has decided to have active shooter drills regularly in school. Like a few times a year. IN fact when the senate was overtaken on Jan 6 the senators were told what to do by the younger set who had regularly participated in active shooter drills. It works in malls and shopping plazas too.
Funny that we decided to do that, but do you do drills with your family for what to do in a car accident. I do hope you have shown your toddler how to use the scissors to cut themselves out of restraints. And shown your kids how to use the hammer to shatter the window. At least 4 times a year, but preferable once a month you should be holding these drills. If you are doing it in proportion to how dangerous you are saying cars are, do it once a week.
The more something is practiced, the more emphasis we place on it and the more it seeps into our subconscious. The teacher was reflecting what the active shooting drills have told teachers, that you are in danger. As teachers, we were even incorrectly told by our administration that if we don’t follow the protocol of lockdown and kids die, it is on us.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 11:23
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
The rant definitely jumped the shark when she referred to the teachers fighting to keep
kids out of school as the "voices of reason about logistics and safety."
Anonymous
09/05/2022 11:21
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Ty for confirming her writing. I almost posted the same article, but I’m currently in a happy place at my school. Posters like you are so gross. She tells a story of a time when she was on lockdown for hours for a potential shooting and you still just laugh it off
Democratic Party talking points? This is a woman’s personal experience. I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people to be this cold hearted
+1
Apparently the PP thinks rare school shootings are acceptable.
DP. No, not acceptable, but a tiny risk compared to other parts of daily life, like driving to work. So it's certainly reasonable to want to do something about them, but it is completely irrational to make personal life decisions based on them as potential risks.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 09:18
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Ty for confirming her writing. I almost posted the same article, but I’m currently in a happy place at my school. Posters like you are so gross. She tells a story of a time when she was on lockdown for hours for a potential shooting and you still just laugh it off
Democratic Party talking points? This is a woman’s personal experience. I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people to be this cold hearted
+1
Apparently the PP thinks rare school shootings are acceptable.
Anonymous
09/05/2022 09:15
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Ty for confirming her writing. I almost posted the same article, but I’m currently in a happy place at my school. Posters like you are so gross. She tells a story of a time when she was on lockdown for hours for a potential shooting and you still just laugh it off
Democratic Party talking points? This is a woman’s personal experience. I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with people to be this cold hearted
Anonymous
09/05/2022 09:11
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:This might help answer it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/teaching-11-years-quit-job-123000931.html
So many things wrong
1. Talking points right out of the democratic party playbook
2. School shootings are extremely rare
3. People deal with personal issues all the time
4. Pay scales are widely known
5. Going on strike hurts students
6. Parents are in charge of a childs development and molding not teachers
I could go on but I have better stuff to do with my time
Anonymous
09/04/2022 20:44
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous
09/04/2022 17:32
Subject: Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe that there still aren’t protests in the streets from teachers about least restrictive environment. Yet they’re stressed out and quitting in droves. Do you guys not realize that the public would be behind you on this? You just need to make some noise so lawmakers notice the problem and start asking the public what they want. Laws can be changed.
You want schools to segregate kids with developmental disabilities into separate classrooms? No, the public would not be behind you on that. Particularly not once parents of those children told their side of it.
The “f ‘em” attitude that the DMV has for children with autism, ADHD, and other developmental disorders is pretty incredible. Particularly from teachers.
Not all disabilities are the same. And some really don’t belong in mainstream classes.
Teachers don’t need to evacuate classrooms if a kid needs a bit more time with a reading tutor each week.
I agree. As the parent of a child who was routinely abused by a special needs child, I object to that child being in a regular classroom. His behavioral issues were dangerous and very disruptive on the class. This child had multiple tantrums daily. In several cases, the rest of the children were required to immediately get up and move into the hallway while the teacher called a special ed specialist to the classroom to handle the child. 25 other children lost learning time multiple times daily due to this behavior. This child also threw things. My child was hit in the by a thrown hard-bound book and was choked by the child when my child picked up a book that the other child wanted. This child hit another child with a chair one day in one of his tantrums. Partway through the school year one of the para-professionals had to be assigned full-time, 1:1 to this child just to make it through the school day. But the IEP for this child did not allow the child to be removed from the classroom and the IEP-required responses to the child meant that it disrupted the learning of the other 25 students more than once daily for the entire school year.
We were so lucky that this family moved out of our school zone into another school zone. I have no problems with non-disruptive children being in regular classrooms, but physically abusive and disruptive children need to be segregated from the regularly classrooms. I complained multiple times about the physical abuse and the school counselor and administration replied that they were limited in what they were allowed to do by the school district mandated IEP for this child and the responses allowed.
I’ve been told the only recourse is calling the police. I’m sorry that happened to your child and your family.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 16:26
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The average salary in the us is in the 40s
Teacher salaries are know when people choose the career
Teachers love to complain
The average salary for college-educated people? How about master's degree?
Except an M.Ed isn’t equivalent to an M.S. Compare apples to apples. What do you think the average English major makes?
Well? What are the numbers? Not $40k.
How much does an average college grad make right out of school?
Crickets. Guess you aren’t very good with numbers.
Here you go:
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/average-salary-college-graduates/
The average college grad makes $59,600 in 2022.
The average for young teachers is $39,000.
That $20k gap is the issue. In fact, the average college grad even makes MORE than an experienced teacher ($51,000).
We need to pay teachers more to attract and retain good teachers. Period. There may be other contributing factors but it really all comes down to money. You get what you pay for. No money, no teachers.
Georgetown looked at recent college grad salaries broken down by major. Education majors did well compared to everyone except for those with a handful of STEM-related degrees.
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/
This! In our capitalistic society, pay is based on educational rigor/difficulty and specialization. Pay for educators is in line with what is to be expected based on the difficulty of obtaining the degree. You cant speak out against communism and then show disdain for capitalism whenever you lack profit.
The teacher shortage could be reversed by reducing educational and licensing requirements. Most teachers do not need a master's degree as most learning happens in the field. This would increase the number of teachers and reduce wages thereby enabling more teachers to be hired in classrooms. If every classroom K-12 had 1-2 assistants, teacher workload would be reduced, morale would increase because there would be more support, and children would win.
Actually there are plenty of more rigorous majors on that list that are paid less than education graduates.
Here is my theory:
Teaching demands rigor in a different way than college courses do. Other majors may be rigorous in the same academic way that the degree is gotten (through academic work). Teaching is mostly emotionally/socially demanding because of the constant reading of cues and thousands of on the spot decisions that must be made. It is demanding, but not necessarily academically demanding.
We haven’t put a price on or even been able to easily quantify the skills of teaching because it is so psychologically and personality based. It is mostly a soft skill and uses skills that have been traditionally given the short shrift of being labeled “women’s skills’” so it is underpaid.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 15:04
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The average salary in the us is in the 40s
Teacher salaries are know when people choose the career
Teachers love to complain
The average salary for college-educated people? How about master's degree?
Except an M.Ed isn’t equivalent to an M.S. Compare apples to apples. What do you think the average English major makes?
Well? What are the numbers? Not $40k.
How much does an average college grad make right out of school?
Crickets. Guess you aren’t very good with numbers.
Here you go:
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/average-salary-college-graduates/
The average college grad makes $59,600 in 2022.
The average for young teachers is $39,000.
That $20k gap is the issue. In fact, the average college grad even makes MORE than an experienced teacher ($51,000).
We need to pay teachers more to attract and retain good teachers. Period. There may be other contributing factors but it really all comes down to money. You get what you pay for. No money, no teachers.
Georgetown looked at recent college grad salaries broken down by major. Education majors did well compared to everyone except for those with a handful of STEM-related degrees.
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/
This! In our capitalistic society, pay is based on educational rigor/difficulty and specialization. Pay for educators is in line with what is to be expected based on the difficulty of obtaining the degree. You cant speak out against communism and then show disdain for capitalism whenever you lack profit.
The teacher shortage could be reversed by reducing educational and licensing requirements. Most teachers do not need a master's degree as most learning happens in the field. This would increase the number of teachers and reduce wages thereby enabling more teachers to be hired in classrooms. If every classroom K-12 had 1-2 assistants, teacher workload would be reduced, morale would increase because there would be more support, and children would win.
Actually there are plenty of more rigorous majors on that list that are paid less than education graduates.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 08:49
Subject: Why is there a teacher shortage?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where do this kids in diapers and non verbal come from? Are they illegal immigrants? Or do they come from generational poverty?
I can’t explain lack of previous supports and care otherwise
We got a new kindergarten student today who was in diapers and mostly non-verbal. His mom said the babysitter didn't potty train him. He was completely attached to mom's phone. I heard him screaming in the hallway and I assumed it was when his mom left. Nope. She took the phone away and he screamed bloody murder. His birthday was about a week ago so they decided to put him in pre-k. He will come in tomorrow for an hour and see if he will actually go into the classroom and sit with his mom there. He scratched and bruised some admin trying to help out today.
People don't believe me when I say that screens have destroyed some kids brains.
Anonymous
09/04/2022 08:14
Subject: Re:Why is there a teacher shortage?
I’m a high school teacher. I don’t mind having SPED kids in my class.
It is all the extra paper work and SPED meetings, etc., that are frustrating.
I resent all the time it takes away from preparing content, grading, working individually with students.
I like to treat all my students as having individual needs because they all crave individual attention not just the SPED kids but with 30+ kids in each class, I have my hands full.
It is all the extra paper work and SPED meetings, etc., that are frustrating.
I resent all the time it takes away from preparing content, grading, working individually with students.
I like to treat all my students as having individual needs because they all crave individual attention not just the SPED kids but with 30+ kids in each class, I have my hands full.