Sigh, these names. Although Watson isn't terrible in the grand Teen Mom scheme...

Chelsea:
Aubree Skye Lind
Watson Cole DeBoer

Jenelle:
Jace Vahn Evans
Kaiser Orion Griffin
Ensley Jolie Eason

Leah:
Aliannah Hope Simms
Aleeah Grace Simms
Adalynn Faith Calvert

Kail:
Isaac Elliot Rivera
Lincoln Marshall Marroquin

Catching up on Monday's episode. Kail is a horrible horrible person.

Anonymous wrote:1 day apart--Chelsea had her baby this morning, Jenelle had hers yesterday. I'm guessing Jenelle will still be pissed by the reactions, since she was so upset that Chelsea got more congrats for her pregnancy news.

Oh yes. The mother of all tantrums is coming! But congrats for Chelsea. She deserves her happy ending.

1 day apart--Chelsea had her baby this morning, Jenelle had hers yesterday. I'm guessing Jenelle will still be pissed by the reactions, since she was so upset that Chelsea got more congrats for her pregnancy news.

OMG, I think Chelsea and Jenelle just had their babies on the same day. Jenelle is probably livid!

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone notice that Peach, who has been Kail's friend, is now shown as "Javi's friend."

Oh Isaac, it's just heartbreaking.

Daaaaaaaaang! I missed that! Peach has been around forever! Maybe Javi just doesn't have any friend who'll appear on camera. That seems to be Adam's problem as well... I wish they'd just stop filming him, but that seems to be what he actually wants, so now I hope they keep harassing him as part of earning that paycheck.

Peach was Javi's friend first. They've been friend since HS. Same with a few other of the girls that have been on prior seasons.

Anonymous wrote:Did anyone notice that Peach, who has been Kail's friend, is now shown as "Javi's friend."

Oh Isaac, it's just heartbreaking.

Daaaaaaaaang! I missed that! Peach has been around forever! Maybe Javi just doesn't have any friend who'll appear on camera. That seems to be Adam's problem as well... I wish they'd just stop filming him, but that seems to be what he actually wants, so now I hope they keep harassing him as part of earning that paycheck.

Did anyone notice that Peach, who has been Kail's friend, is now shown as "Javi's friend."

Oh Isaac, it's just heartbreaking.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly it's like she has already moved on and has zero interest in Javi. She's so mean to him. He just got back from deployment and she hates the sight of him. Either she has already moved on or he did something that seriously makes her repulsed by him.

I think it's her. I think she has really deep abandonment issues, and now she abandons him before he can abandon her. I think she has deep anger management issues over being abandoned and her mother choosing men over her.

There is a lot of truth in this I think. I don't think she really knows how to love. I really don't see a lot of loving behavior with her children either. She seems preoccupied with herself and her resentments.

I'm the one who said that. She loves her kids as much as she is capable. Isaac is a very sweet boy. I don't think Lincoln has that same sweetness about him. It could evolve, but if it doesn't he'll be a tough kid to control when he gets older. K said something to Jo once about Isaac's appearance - she feels like he has to look nice all the time because people judge her for being a teen mom, on her son's appearance. But I think most people are judging her on her. Not on whether her son's jeans have a stain or whatever. That episode where she was screaming at Isaac while he played soccer or whatever sport? That is what I judge.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly it's like she has already moved on and has zero interest in Javi. She's so mean to him. He just got back from deployment and she hates the sight of him. Either she has already moved on or he did something that seriously makes her repulsed by him.

I think it's her. I think she has really deep abandonment issues, and now she abandons him before he can abandon her. I think she has deep anger management issues over being abandoned and her mother choosing men over her.

There is a lot of truth in this I think. I don't think she really knows how to love. I really don't see a lot of loving behavior with her children either. She seems preoccupied with herself and her resentments.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly it's like she has already moved on and has zero interest in Javi. She's so mean to him. He just got back from deployment and she hates the sight of him. Either she has already moved on or he did something that seriously makes her repulsed by him.

I think it's her. I think she has really deep abandonment issues, and now she abandons him before he can abandon her. I think she has deep anger management issues over being abandoned and her mother choosing men over her.

I totally agree with this. She doesn't want to need anybody, and doesn't want anybody to need her. I'm done with the relationship, so hurry up and get out of my life. She doesn't even seem that upset that it's over.

I really think she needs therapy to get over her issues with her mom.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly it's like she has already moved on and has zero interest in Javi. She's so mean to him. He just got back from deployment and she hates the sight of him. Either she has already moved on or he did something that seriously makes her repulsed by him.

I think it's her. I think she has really deep abandonment issues, and now she abandons him before he can abandon her. I think she has deep anger management issues over being abandoned and her mother choosing men over her.

Honestly it's like she has already moved on and has zero interest in Javi. She's so mean to him. He just got back from deployment and she hates the sight of him. Either she has already moved on or he did something that seriously makes her repulsed by him.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Kailyn was something else on last night's episode. She needs therapy big time.

I feel for her. It has to be miserable acting like that all the time.

I am so confused. Why does she hate javi so much?

She has mental issues.

It's so sad, she knows what it is like to have a dad not in her life, yet she pushes away the fathers of her own children because of her own pride or ego or whatever. She thinks she is a wonderful mom and her kids dads suck, but really, it is the other way around! What a toxic cycle.

Based only on what I've seen on the show, Kail should have stayed with Javi. I know people on here have said he is controlling, but didn't she know that before she married him? Also, the only thing I've seen him be controlling about is Kail texting guys and meeting up with them. He hardly seems extremely controlling or abusive, and he seems like a great dad/stepdad. Apparently, she cheated on him instead of trying to make it work for the kids' sake. Very doubtful that she will be happier or better off in a different situation, despite her Brazilian butt lift!

Rather than divorcing him, she should have insisted on marriage counseling when Javi got back. I think he is just a smidge immature, and has a smidge of anger management issues that could easily be fixed in his case.

She seems way angrier than he does! Heck, when he is deployed, she only has to deal with him on face-time, anyway. It seems like he was trying to make it work and wanted to keep the family together.

Of course it's edited for tv so who knows, but how do you just divorce without even trying counseling? And he was gone for 6 momths, so things are bound to be weird at first. It's like she is just giving up, so I understand where he is coming from.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Kailyn was something else on last night's episode. She needs therapy big time.

I feel for her. It has to be miserable acting like that all the time.

I am so confused. Why does she hate javi so much?

She has mental issues.

It's so sad, she knows what it is like to have a dad not in her life, yet she pushes away the fathers of her own children because of her own pride or ego or whatever. She thinks she is a wonderful mom and her kids dads suck, but really, it is the other way around! What a toxic cycle.

Based only on what I've seen on the show, Kail should have stayed with Javi. I know people on here have said he is controlling, but didn't she know that before she married him? Also, the only thing I've seen him be controlling about is Kail texting guys and meeting up with them. He hardly seems extremely controlling or abusive, and he seems like a great dad/stepdad. Apparently, she cheated on him instead of trying to make it work for the kids' sake. Very doubtful that she will be happier or better off in a different situation, despite her Brazilian butt lift!

Rather than divorcing him, she should have insisted on marriage counseling when Javi got back. I think he is just a smidge immature, and has a smidge of anger management issues that could easily be fixed in his case.

She seems way angrier than he does! Heck, when he is deployed, she only has to deal with him on face-time, anyway. It seems like he was trying to make it work and wanted to keep the family together.