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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

Here is the line

Sleepless in the onyx night
But now the sky is opalite

Look up onyx night or onyx star or even the gemstone onyx

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

What does her race and “class” (??) have to do with anything? You sound idiotic, trying to make this a racial thing.

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

Because she’s insecure even though she shouldn’t be. Travis would never leave her money and fame for some middle class rando.

She has at least two disses for black women.

Charli XCX
Ex gf of Travis

It's gross. And, with the ex gf, Taylor is punching down on a woman who does not have a big platform or all the money that TS has. It's not a good look. It's actually like something Trump would do.

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the song Wish List. I’m surprised she wrote it for Travis. It sounds just like “And if my wishes came true, it would’ve been you” and “I like shiny things, but I’d marry you with paper rings.” Those deep desires don’t transfer to every man a woman dates. My bet is it’s at least partly inspired by Matty Healy, still. The lyric about asking the world to leave them the f&ck alone, “and they do, wow” makes no sense for Travis. No one is bothering and canceling them the way they did when she went public with Matty.
Wish List is the continuation of But Daddy I Love Him: the heat dies down and she gets back together with him. Her parents and the fans lets them be and she is having his baby.

Elizabeth Taylor has shades of the anxious attachment that was all over Lover. Cornelia Street: “and baby I’m so terrified of if you ever walk away/ I’d never walk Cornelia Street again.” Elizabeth Taylor: “And if you ever leave me high and dry / I’d cry my eyes violet Elizabeth Taylor.” Mind you, Elizabeth Taylor is one of about 4 songs I like on this album but nevertheless, she is ENDLESSLY retreading the same themes she’s been writing about for the last 8 years. There’s no forward progression.

The topics are so boring and not of the moment when people are being snatched off the street. Zach Bryan's song about the fading red, white, and blue is more of the moment. Hope he wins an award for that.

The songs mostly have zero to do with being a showgirl...

TS comes off as narcissistic.

Way too many references to brands, like Gucci. Does she get paid to mention them?

She seems borderline to me. Running from one man to the next man and then to the next man. Never can be alone. Her friendships end. Her squad was a bunch of people who said they did not know each other that well.

The veil has lifted for me.

In Miss Americana, she said she would become more political. But, nope. She is more MAGA than anything and hanging with MAGA friends.

Anonymous wrote:two posters here are completely unhinged about and obsessed with matty healy. i guarantee you ts does not think about him nearly as much as you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is revered for her pettiness and vengefulness. It’s part of how fans relate to her.

Yeah, I never get the criticism here. Any show, any book, any movie, any music we listen to it’s all about people figuring their crap out.

“ I’ve been in therapy for years and I’m finally figuring out how to own my own stuff and not rely on other people to meet needs I am responsible for meeting on my own” is great in real life but we want to see that journey not just hear about the destination.

This is not a People magazine cover story. It’s an album.

If people want to like her for her pettiness and vengefulness, I get that. I’m glad some of her fans are owning up to that because they used to berate/insult anyone who called her that. I guess they are maturing? I DO have a problem with someone who is consistently punching down and using vengeance as a platform being called a “good role model” for young girls. I can only see that being a plus if you want to perpetuate mean girl culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is revered for her pettiness and vengefulness. It’s part of how fans relate to her.

Yeah, I never get the criticism here. Any show, any book, any movie, any music we listen to it’s all about people figuring their crap out.

“ I’ve been in therapy for years and I’m finally figuring out how to own my own stuff and not rely on other people to meet needs I am responsible for meeting on my own” is great in real life but we want to see that journey not just hear about the destination.

This is not a People magazine cover story. It’s an album.

If people want to like her for her pettiness and vengefulness, I get that. I’m glad some of her fans are owning up to that because they used to berate/insult anyone who called her that. I guess they are maturing? I DO have a problem with someone who is consistently punching down and using vengeance as a platform being called a “good role model” for young girls. I can only see that being a plus if you want to perpetuate mean girl culture.

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Anonymous wrote:The hate on this thread is creepy. Are you adults posting this stuff? I feel like I stumbled down into the incel corner of the Internet and I don’t like it.

Anyway, I’m not a huge fan of the album though fate of Ophelia is a banger. It is doing insanely well. I did not realize because I’ve seen a lot of criticism online, but it’s already sold millions of copies, which is kind of unheard of in this day and age and it’s going to hit in the tens of billions of streams any day now if it’s not there already.

If her goal is to make more money, she’s done that big time.

I'd rather know how many unique copes she sold of her album. Some swifties bought six or eight copies of the same album due to the different versions.

Taylor gets a lot of hate for this but lots of artists do it. Oasis hasn’t published new music in 25 years? Or around that and since announcing their current tour they have like 14 different versions of albums with different colors and cover art you can get and people are buying.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

Here is the line

Sleepless in the onyx night
But now the sky is opalite

Look up onyx night or onyx star or even the gemstone onyx

The previous poster is correct.

This take is nuts. If she had a problem with it, she wouldn't be marrying him. And her body count is too high for her to be complaining about anyone else's and she knows it. She does not care at all about Kayla.

+1 these black women are spinning out that he went black and then went back. Pathetic.

What!

Taylor is not Travis’ type. The only thing he’s interested in is the fame and money the comes from being associated with her. And Once the NFL season is over and Travis is retired he will find another IG baddie.

Anonymous wrote:I really like the song Wish List. I’m surprised she wrote it for Travis. It sounds just like “And if my wishes came true, it would’ve been you” and “I like shiny things, but I’d marry you with paper rings.” Those deep desires don’t transfer to every man a woman dates. My bet is it’s at least partly inspired by Matty Healy, still. The lyric about asking the world to leave them the f&ck alone, “and they do, wow” makes no sense for Travis. No one is bothering and canceling them the way they did when she went public with Matty.
Wish List is the continuation of But Daddy I Love Him: the heat dies down and she gets back together with him. Her parents and the fans lets them be and she is having his baby.

Anonymous wrote:two posters here are completely unhinged about and obsessed with matty healy. i guarantee you ts does not think about him nearly as much as you do.

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Anonymous wrote:These haters are so unhinged. They obsess with mean girl behavior. Taylor has done a lot of good in the world and she rocks

Criticizing Taylor's work is always fair game. That's how art work. It doesn't matter what else you do -- many artists have done a ton of charitable work or are just very exceptionally good people, and they will still get critical reviews (by professional critics and by regular people) because that's the gig. You have the privilege of sharing your artistic work with the world, and letting them receive it as they will.

The random criticism of her relationships or just hating on the way she looks or just vague attacks on her being washed up or middle aged or fake or whatever... some of that is mean girl behavior but it's easy to ignore.

But criticizing her music or her videos or her dancing or the concept of her album? That's always fair game.

Disappointed in this album. She comes off as an insecure mean girl and unconscious racist.

DP. I thought I was the only one who noticed the latter but a lot of people on Reddit and X said the same thing. I think it’s probably normal for her to feel a bit insecure when her fiancé has ever only been publicly linked to black women. The savage reference is particularly weird because Megan Thee stallion allegedly rejected him.

People on reddit and Twitter always think everything is racist. There's a line about an onyx sky or something and they think it's racist against his ex.

Except she directly references the ex in the same song. And said herself that it’s about when relationships don’t work out.

https://www.glamour.com/story/taylor-swifts-opalite-lyrics-decoded

She's talking about times were dark with that girl, and now they have created happiness. She surely does not mean to literally say "your ex was dark skinned and now you have me, a white chick."

The word onyx and onyx imagery are much more linked to blackness than the word “dark” but nice try.

Here is the line

Sleepless in the onyx night
But now the sky is opalite

Look up onyx night or onyx star or even the gemstone onyx

The previous poster is correct.

This take is nuts. If she had a problem with it, she wouldn't be marrying him. And her body count is too high for her to be complaining about anyone else's and she knows it. She does not care at all about Kayla.

+1 these black women are spinning out that he went black and then went back. Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:"Opalite" is about Travis's ex girlfriend he dated for five years? It's so gross to be a billionaire with this sort of platform attacking a random middle class Black woman who dated your fiancé.

Because she’s insecure even though she shouldn’t be. Travis would never leave her money and fame for some middle class rando.

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Anonymous wrote:I really like the song Wish List. I’m surprised she wrote it for Travis. It sounds just like “And if my wishes came true, it would’ve been you” and “I like shiny things, but I’d marry you with paper rings.” Those deep desires don’t transfer to every man a woman dates. My bet is it’s at least partly inspired by Matty Healy, still. The lyric about asking the world to leave them the f&ck alone, “and they do, wow” makes no sense for Travis. No one is bothering and canceling them the way they did when she went public with Matty.
Wish List is the continuation of But Daddy I Love Him: the heat dies down and she gets back together with him. Her parents and the fans lets them be and she is having his baby.

Elizabeth Taylor has shades of the anxious attachment that was all over Lover. Cornelia Street: “and baby I’m so terrified of if you ever walk away/ I’d never walk Cornelia Street again.” Elizabeth Taylor: “And if you ever leave me high and dry / I’d cry my eyes violet Elizabeth Taylor.” Mind you, Elizabeth Taylor is one of about 4 songs I like on this album but nevertheless, she is ENDLESSLY retreading the same themes she’s been writing about for the last 8 years. There’s no forward progression.

Anonymous wrote:Listened to the album last night and freakin’ loved it. My best friend loved it, as well.