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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a summer team where anyone but the coaches did the meet lineup. Just wild!!

This happens regularly at my pool. Sometimes it’s subtle, like the rep’s kid somehow being in lane 4 even though the other 2 teammates had faster times. (They entered them as NT to make it work) Sometimes it’s a rep asking a coach to get a swimmer a coach time in practice to move a kid into a relay spot. We actually lost a phenomenal coach after a year over the meddling. Now we have a college age coach who isn’t particularly good and just lets the reps do it.

It's unbelievable; there are definitely politics at our D1 pool, but nothing like this. I wouldn't allow my child to participate with this kind of meddling.

We left a mid-level NVSL pool for a D1 pool and could not be happier. Everything is clear and transparent, and our kids (at least 12Us) don’t give a hoot if the friend is A, B, combo, or not even swim team meet-type.

Clear and transparent is super important to keep families and swimmers engaged. When reps and other people meddle with lineups or try to sway coaches on meet decisions it makes people want to leave.

We are also at a D1 pool and the other families are amazing. The kids encourage and cheer for their peers. They also all understand that we win and lose as a team, they are not hostile towards each other but are instead encouraging. We absolutely love it!

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a summer team where anyone but the coaches did the meet lineup. Just wild!!

This happens regularly at my pool. Sometimes it’s subtle, like the rep’s kid somehow being in lane 4 even though the other 2 teammates had faster times. (They entered them as NT to make it work) Sometimes it’s a rep asking a coach to get a swimmer a coach time in practice to move a kid into a relay spot. We actually lost a phenomenal coach after a year over the meddling. Now we have a college age coach who isn’t particularly good and just lets the reps do it.

It's unbelievable; there are definitely politics at our D1 pool, but nothing like this. I wouldn't allow my child to participate with this kind of meddling.

We left a mid-level NVSL pool for a D1 pool and could not be happier. Everything is clear and transparent, and our kids (at least 12Us) don’t give a hoot if the friend is A, B, combo, or not even swim team meet-type.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a summer team where anyone but the coaches did the meet lineup. Just wild!!

This happens regularly at my pool. Sometimes it’s subtle, like the rep’s kid somehow being in lane 4 even though the other 2 teammates had faster times. (They entered them as NT to make it work) Sometimes it’s a rep asking a coach to get a swimmer a coach time in practice to move a kid into a relay spot. We actually lost a phenomenal coach after a year over the meddling. Now we have a college age coach who isn’t particularly good and just lets the reps do it.

It's unbelievable; there are definitely politics at our D1 pool, but nothing like this. I wouldn't allow my child to participate with this kind of meddling.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a summer team where anyone but the coaches did the meet lineup. Just wild!!

This happens regularly at my pool. Sometimes it’s subtle, like the rep’s kid somehow being in lane 4 even though the other 2 teammates had faster times. (They entered them as NT to make it work) Sometimes it’s a rep asking a coach to get a swimmer a coach time in practice to move a kid into a relay spot. We actually lost a phenomenal coach after a year over the meddling. Now we have a college age coach who isn’t particularly good and just lets the reps do it.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so fun to read. It is great! Thank you for the free entertainment. It makes me smile knowing how immature, ridiculously dull, and pathetic parents have become today. If your life is defined by your DC’s sport the sand that was kicked in your face as a child must be stuck deeply in your skull. Your child’s success whether great or small will not change the fact you are a loser.

Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of a summer team where anyone but the coaches did the meet lineup. Just wild!!

Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of records wow

Anonymous wrote:Nancy Drew should be hired to figure this out.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of records wow

It’s amazing what a little recruiting can do!

Show us where OKM recruited. (Are you arguing that growing pool memberships is recruiting? OKM does not, and never had, a waitlist. It didn’t an HOA, and it accepts members from anywhere.

Because I’m annoyed and also SMH, I’ll break down the OKM swimmers and tell you when they joined the team (all info public on mynvsl.com:

15-18 Girls:

#1 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM team since age 7; #11 in in 50 Free, on OKM team since age 6; #89 in 50 Free, on OKM team since age 10

#1 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM team since age 6; #65 in 50 Back, on OKM team since age 13* and never swam on any other noVA summer team

#1 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM team since age 6; #28 in 50 Fly, on OKM team since age 12*

#37 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 5

13-14 Girls:

#3 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #25 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 6; #32 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 6

#3 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 6; #19 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 7

#11 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 7

#1 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM since age 7; #6 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 6

11-12 Girls:

#1 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 6; #27 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #29 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 8

#3 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 6; #7 in 50 Back, on NVSL since age 8; #36 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8; #48 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8

#15 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8

#2 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM since age 6; #25 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 10*; #26 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 10; #37 in 50 Fly, at OKM since age 7; #59 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 8

9-10 Girls:

#3 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #10 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 7*

#2 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 7; #7 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 7*; #12 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8

#2 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 7; #3 in 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8; #48 in 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8

#1 in NVSL, 25 Fly, on OKM since age 7; #4 in 25 Fly, on OKM since age 7*; #40 in 25 Fly, on OKM since age 8; (3 more in top 100, on OKM since age 7)

*military and/or moved from outside NoVA

An absolute perfect response reiterating this forum's subject link: 'Summer Swim Brings Out the Crazy'

Seriously PP get a hobby. You seem a bit obsessed.

I can easily put this together for Overlee, Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, etc to refute every single claim of recruitment. (I’m not even an OKM member.) The “recruiting” byline is so tired, and the gaslighting of “PP you’re crazy, you’re obsessed, get a hobby” is your only retort when someone (quickly and easily) refutes your BS claims with data. Our team, which is in D2, also receives its fair share of “you’re recruiting” allegations. And I compile the same data to show otherwise.

So I’ll gaslight you right back: Alleging that a faster, better team has to recruit to be faster and better, and pairing that with BS allegations of other bad team rep, parental, or coach behavior, shows your own immaturity. Just because these teams do summer swim better than your team does not mean they are recruiting (which, BTW, is not per se unethical when a pool is trying to gain new members), does not mean the kids aren’t having fun, and does not mean the other team has a bunch of a$$holes as reps, coaches, and parents. YOU need to get a life and stop deflecting your own inadequacies by claiming recruitment and dishonesty by other teams.

If you're not even an OKM member how do you know about the military or moved in kids? LOL with the asterisk but you don't go to OKM

We swim club with most of these kids. So ha ha right back at ya!

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so fun to read. It is great! Thank you for the free entertainment. It makes me smile knowing how immature, ridiculously dull, and pathetic parents have become today. If your life is defined by your DC’s sport the sand that was kicked in your face as a child must be stuck deeply in your skull. Your child’s success whether great or small will not change the fact you are a loser.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s a lot of records wow

It’s amazing what a little recruiting can do!

Show us where OKM recruited. (Are you arguing that growing pool memberships is recruiting? OKM does not, and never had, a waitlist. It didn’t an HOA, and it accepts members from anywhere.

Because I’m annoyed and also SMH, I’ll break down the OKM swimmers and tell you when they joined the team (all info public on mynvsl.com:

15-18 Girls:

#1 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM team since age 7; #11 in in 50 Free, on OKM team since age 6; #89 in 50 Free, on OKM team since age 10

#1 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM team since age 6; #65 in 50 Back, on OKM team since age 13* and never swam on any other noVA summer team

#1 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM team since age 6; #28 in 50 Fly, on OKM team since age 12*

#37 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 5

13-14 Girls:

#3 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #25 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 6; #32 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 6

#3 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 6; #19 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 7

#11 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 7

#1 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM since age 7; #6 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 6

11-12 Girls:

#1 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 6; #27 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #29 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 8

#3 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 6; #7 in 50 Back, on NVSL since age 8; #36 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8; #48 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8

#15 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8

#2 in NVSL, 50 Fly, on OKM since age 6; #25 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 10*; #26 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 10; #37 in 50 Fly, at OKM since age 7; #59 in 50 Fly, on OKM since age 8

9-10 Girls:

#3 in NVSL, 50 Free, on OKM since age 7; #10 in 50 Free, on OKM since age 7*

#2 in NVSL, 50 Back, on OKM since age 7; #7 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 7*; #12 in 50 Back, on OKM since age 8

#2 in NVSL, 50 Breast, on OKM since age 7; #3 in 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8; #48 in 50 Breast, on OKM since age 8

#1 in NVSL, 25 Fly, on OKM since age 7; #4 in 25 Fly, on OKM since age 7*; #40 in 25 Fly, on OKM since age 8; (3 more in top 100, on OKM since age 7)

*military and/or moved from outside NoVA

An absolute perfect response reiterating this forum's subject link: 'Summer Swim Brings Out the Crazy'

Seriously PP get a hobby. You seem a bit obsessed.

I can easily put this together for Overlee, Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook, etc to refute every single claim of recruitment. (I’m not even an OKM member.) The “recruiting” byline is so tired, and the gaslighting of “PP you’re crazy, you’re obsessed, get a hobby” is your only retort when someone (quickly and easily) refutes your BS claims with data. Our team, which is in D2, also receives its fair share of “you’re recruiting” allegations. And I compile the same data to show otherwise.

So I’ll gaslight you right back: Alleging that a faster, better team has to recruit to be faster and better, and pairing that with BS allegations of other bad team rep, parental, or coach behavior, shows your own immaturity. Just because these teams do summer swim better than your team does not mean they are recruiting (which, BTW, is not per se unethical when a pool is trying to gain new members), does not mean the kids aren’t having fun, and does not mean the other team has a bunch of a$$holes as reps, coaches, and parents. YOU need to get a life and stop deflecting your own inadequacies by claiming recruitment and dishonesty by other teams.

If you're not even an OKM member how do you know about the military or moved in kids? LOL with the asterisk but you don't go to OKM