Anonymous
03/18/2025 17:01
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Just talked with my relative with heart disease and pacemaker. I learned that pacemakers constantly send signals to the host showing activity. Also learned that should any abnormal pacing of heart occur, then the pacemaker will send a shock to the person, letting them know that something is wrong. Also, the host/doctors office will contact the person and ask them to come in to check things out.
Pacemakers wear down and need recharging. This relative takes prescribed meds for his heart and visits doctor for leg and heart rate checkups at least 2-3 times a year. Unsure if any more invasive heart scans are taken, but I’ve been reading in recent health mags that there are several more advanced tests that can be done on the heart to assess health a lot more clearly.
All in all, I think what I said earlier is probably right. Gene probably wasn’t getting this level of care. But he survived to 95, so that is something.
Pacemakers wear down and need recharging. This relative takes prescribed meds for his heart and visits doctor for leg and heart rate checkups at least 2-3 times a year. Unsure if any more invasive heart scans are taken, but I’ve been reading in recent health mags that there are several more advanced tests that can be done on the heart to assess health a lot more clearly.
All in all, I think what I said earlier is probably right. Gene probably wasn’t getting this level of care. But he survived to 95, so that is something.
Anonymous
03/18/2025 16:43
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
So people with bad organs usually take medicines for those conditions. I have people that I know with bad hearts. Some have had surgery. Some a pacemaker. All continuously monitored by doctors.
It’s not looking like his heart condition was being treated properly or it would have not been this extensive. They are saying that his heart disease is what caused his death. That’s the medical examiners conclusion. The rest attributes to it, but underlying all things was the fact that his heart stopped.
I have a relative who underwent quadruple bypass and has pacemaker. Medicines are prescribed and pacemaker is in. Regular checks by doctor to monitor progress and yo prescribe pharmaceuticals
It’s not looking like his heart condition was being treated properly or it would have not been this extensive. They are saying that his heart disease is what caused his death. That’s the medical examiners conclusion. The rest attributes to it, but underlying all things was the fact that his heart stopped.
I have a relative who underwent quadruple bypass and has pacemaker. Medicines are prescribed and pacemaker is in. Regular checks by doctor to monitor progress and yo prescribe pharmaceuticals
Anonymous
03/18/2025 14:51
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one said that they were unqualified. She just chose a different route of treatment than traditional practices. Esoteric medicine is very different from traditional medical pharmacology.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
They never treated Betsy, because she never showed up for the appointment. There's nothing "off" here. In fact she might have been on her way out to go to the appointment when she collapsed in the bathroom near the front door.
Just a very sad, tragic story.
What does Betsy collapsing before her appointment have to do with Gene not getting adequate medical care?
Anonymous
03/18/2025 14:50
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one said that they were unqualified. She just chose a different route of treatment than traditional practices. Esoteric medicine is very different from traditional medical pharmacology.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
Click the link. It’s fully qualified MDs and an FNP as well as a geneticist and pharmacist. This isn’t “esoteric.”
DP. I think PP was talking about gene’s condition. The appointment with the concierge practice was for Betsy, not gene. Hence why the doctor indicated that Betsy was not in restore distress that would be irrelevant if the appointment was for him. They’re saying Gene did not appear to be treated by fully qualified MDs
Anonymous
03/18/2025 13:54
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:No one said that they were unqualified. She just chose a different route of treatment than traditional practices. Esoteric medicine is very different from traditional medical pharmacology.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
Click the link. It’s fully qualified MDs and an FNP as well as a geneticist and pharmacist. This isn’t “esoteric.”
Anonymous
03/18/2025 12:20
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:No one said that they were unqualified. She just chose a different route of treatment than traditional practices. Esoteric medicine is very different from traditional medical pharmacology.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
They never treated Betsy, because she never showed up for the appointment. There's nothing "off" here. In fact she might have been on her way out to go to the appointment when she collapsed in the bathroom near the front door.
Just a very sad, tragic story.
Anonymous
03/18/2025 11:24
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
No one said that they were unqualified. She just chose a different route of treatment than traditional practices. Esoteric medicine is very different from traditional medical pharmacology.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
Again, not saying right or wrong. But I do stand by that Gene probably was not getting all of the medical attention that he needed.
I had a friend that tried to treat her health thru herbalists and natural healing. She was near death almost and her family finally took her to a hospital where they said she was in poor shape. They operated and put her on antibiotics.
She’s been fine ever since. Inflamed kidneys and kidney stones that she was trying to treat thru holistic means.
I’m for holistic measures if I’m undergoing regular checkups and have a clear view of my health. I’m just not so sure if Genes condition didn’t warrant more medical attention and pharmacology for the heart and Alzheimer’s. I have friends with bad hearts or have had surgery and I know their routines a bit.
Something was a bit off here.
Anonymous
03/18/2025 11:06
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So it looks like she did reach out to a holistic doctor/spiritual healer prior to her death.
What I’m taking away from all of this is that these two were extremely reclusive. Gene was not getting the medical assistance needed for his heart. She was curing through esoteric medical guidance and sources. Whatever it was, he still lived to 95. But she did cancel appointments for her due to his ailing health.
She would not go to a doctor for herself because he was in decline. That’s a bit weird because she ran errands and he stayed at home by himself.
It just seems like she was in way over her head with a lot of this. I still doubt that he was reviving heart medication or had seen anyone about his Alzheimer’s. She was treating it on her own with medical shamans.
She made an appointment with a concierge medical group https://www.cloudberry.health/
The New Mexico authorities initially believed that Ms. Arakawa had likely died of a rare viral infection on Feb. 11, because that was when she was last seen publicly and stopped returning email correspondence.
But after analyzing her cellphone, investigators learned that Ms. Arakawa had made three phone calls on the morning of Feb. 12, Denise Womack-Avila, a spokeswoman for the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office, said on Monday. She said that Ms. Arakawa had made the calls to a concierge medical service, Cloudberry Health.
Dr. Josiah Child, the lead physician there, said in an interview that the clinic called Ms. Arakawa back that morning and scheduled an appointment for that afternoon. He said she had reported feeling congested but that there were no signs of respiratory distress. Ms. Arakawa did not show up for her appointment that afternoon, Dr. Child said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/17/movies/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-died-later.html
Yeah, it's an expensive practice that treats people like human beings and is very well qualified. Look at the team https://www.cloudberry.health/team
Anonymous
03/18/2025 10:00
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:So it looks like she did reach out to a holistic doctor/spiritual healer prior to her death.
What I’m taking away from all of this is that these two were extremely reclusive. Gene was not getting the medical assistance needed for his heart. She was curing through esoteric medical guidance and sources. Whatever it was, he still lived to 95. But she did cancel appointments for her due to his ailing health.
She would not go to a doctor for herself because he was in decline. That’s a bit weird because she ran errands and he stayed at home by himself.
It just seems like she was in way over her head with a lot of this. I still doubt that he was reviving heart medication or had seen anyone about his Alzheimer’s. She was treating it on her own with medical shamans.
She made an appointment with a concierge medical group https://www.cloudberry.health/
The New Mexico authorities initially believed that Ms. Arakawa had likely died of a rare viral infection on Feb. 11, because that was when she was last seen publicly and stopped returning email correspondence.
But after analyzing her cellphone, investigators learned that Ms. Arakawa had made three phone calls on the morning of Feb. 12, Denise Womack-Avila, a spokeswoman for the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office, said on Monday. She said that Ms. Arakawa had made the calls to a concierge medical service, Cloudberry Health.
Dr. Josiah Child, the lead physician there, said in an interview that the clinic called Ms. Arakawa back that morning and scheduled an appointment for that afternoon. He said she had reported feeling congested but that there were no signs of respiratory distress. Ms. Arakawa did not show up for her appointment that afternoon, Dr. Child said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/17/movies/gene-hackman-betsy-arakawa-died-later.html
Anonymous
03/18/2025 06:00
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
So it looks like she did reach out to a holistic doctor/spiritual healer prior to her death.
What I’m taking away from all of this is that these two were extremely reclusive. Gene was not getting the medical assistance needed for his heart. She was curing through esoteric medical guidance and sources. Whatever it was, he still lived to 95. But she did cancel appointments for her due to his ailing health.
She would not go to a doctor for herself because he was in decline. That’s a bit weird because she ran errands and he stayed at home by himself.
It just seems like she was in way over her head with a lot of this. I still doubt that he was reviving heart medication or had seen anyone about his Alzheimer’s. She was treating it on her own with medical shamans.
What I’m taking away from all of this is that these two were extremely reclusive. Gene was not getting the medical assistance needed for his heart. She was curing through esoteric medical guidance and sources. Whatever it was, he still lived to 95. But she did cancel appointments for her due to his ailing health.
She would not go to a doctor for herself because he was in decline. That’s a bit weird because she ran errands and he stayed at home by himself.
It just seems like she was in way over her head with a lot of this. I still doubt that he was reviving heart medication or had seen anyone about his Alzheimer’s. She was treating it on her own with medical shamans.
Anonymous
03/17/2025 15:57
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She married a man old enough to be her father expecting to enjoy life after inheriting all his money but then he outlived her and there was no backup plan. Tragic.
This is a silly take. It's obvious from photos that she loved him. She was married to him for decades. At the end, she protected his privacy at the cost of her life.
But also at the cost of his life. I don’t think I love my spouse enough to leave them completely vulnerable without me
Hopefully you will never have to experience how difficult a person can be who does not want an outside caregiver. These situations can be incredibly complicated and even when someone does not cognitive agency you cannot force a caregiver on them. At memory care medication helps with accepting the circumstances. I have no idea how he was, but it there were no professionals caregivers than I highly suspect he refused them.
Anonymous
03/17/2025 15:51
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She married a man old enough to be her father expecting to enjoy life after inheriting all his money but then he outlived her and there was no backup plan. Tragic.
This is a silly take. It's obvious from photos that she loved him. She was married to him for decades. At the end, she protected his privacy at the cost of her life.
But also at the cost of his life. I don’t think I love my spouse enough to leave them completely vulnerable without me
95. It isn't like he was 27!
Anonymous
03/17/2025 12:19
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She married a man old enough to be her father expecting to enjoy life after inheriting all his money but then he outlived her and there was no backup plan. Tragic.
This is a silly take. It's obvious from photos that she loved him. She was married to him for decades. At the end, she protected his privacy at the cost of her life.
But also at the cost of his life. I don’t think I love my spouse enough to leave them completely vulnerable without me
Anonymous
03/17/2025 11:39
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
All of the comments about insurance and Medicare are weird. Obviously they could have paid for multiple caregivers round the clock, but they didn’t want that. Gene and Betsy had been living out of the Hollywood limelight in Santa Fe for decades. Less than a year ago there is footage of Gene out with Betsy and looking fairly spry.
I doubt Betsy was acting as a jailer. It seems more likely that he probably told her, when I get to a certain point, I don’t want people to see me like that. Or perhaps he didn’t like leaving home anymore. I had a relative with Alz who had very minimal deterioration, remaining active over five years, then it became fairly rapid. He spent another year at home and did not like to leave. The last few months were in a facility. Until that time he was still able to bathe, toilet, and was never violent or aggressive. I suspect Gene had a similar course of disease.
It’s evident that Gene was not a good father. I hope the kids end up with a large chunk of the 80m
I doubt Betsy was acting as a jailer. It seems more likely that he probably told her, when I get to a certain point, I don’t want people to see me like that. Or perhaps he didn’t like leaving home anymore. I had a relative with Alz who had very minimal deterioration, remaining active over five years, then it became fairly rapid. He spent another year at home and did not like to leave. The last few months were in a facility. Until that time he was still able to bathe, toilet, and was never violent or aggressive. I suspect Gene had a similar course of disease.
It’s evident that Gene was not a good father. I hope the kids end up with a large chunk of the 80m
Anonymous
03/16/2025 22:37
Subject: Gene Hackman R.I.P.
Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.
This allowed my dad to take a break.
I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?
Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.
This is different because of hospice. Medicare pays for hospice.