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Anonymous wrote:She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

It's like you live in the 1970s. This is no longer the case. Nowadays it's about the power of the dollar. I know two moms who lost custody of their children because their now ex-husbands had much more money and could afford better lawyers (plus could provide that they could afford the best nannies, home, school, etc. for the children).

Well that’s sad. I disagree with what she’s doing- trying to move them to the UK when it’s not really clear what their home base was and certainly wasn’t the UK- but I’m not super sympathetic towards him either. They really should be living in the same area for their kids best interests and should settle this out of court.

IMO the kids have spent very little time in England, and just because it was one of the more recent locations doesn’t make it their home. Her trying to argue that it’s their home rubs me the wrong way. It’s *her* home.

That's where her family and support system is though. That's why they were planning to move there in the first place. They both have demanding jobs and what Sophie presents sounds much more stable for the girls than traveling with Joe while he tours.

Exactly. It’s where her support system is. The kids father is in the US. That’s not really fair from a custody standpoint. Either way I actually agree with Joe that it’s best for a judge to establish a documented custody arrangement before she gets to bring the kids back to England. The kids have traveled so much at this point that sophie could just get a month to month rental in NY while they sort this out, instead of making an ordeal out of staying at a hotel to be seen as a victim. I just don’t see her as the victim- she is also playing games and more importantly she is trying to keep the kids on another continent.

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Anonymous wrote:She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

It's like you live in the 1970s. This is no longer the case. Nowadays it's about the power of the dollar. I know two moms who lost custody of their children because their now ex-husbands had much more money and could afford better lawyers (plus could provide that they could afford the best nannies, home, school, etc. for the children).

Well that’s sad. I disagree with what she’s doing- trying to move them to the UK when it’s not really clear what their home base was and certainly wasn’t the UK- but I’m not super sympathetic towards him either. They really should be living in the same area for their kids best interests and should settle this out of court.

IMO the kids have spent very little time in England, and just because it was one of the more recent locations doesn’t make it their home. Her trying to argue that it’s their home rubs me the wrong way. It’s *her* home.

That's where her family and support system is though. That's why they were planning to move there in the first place. They both have demanding jobs and what Sophie presents sounds much more stable for the girls than traveling with Joe while he tours.

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Anonymous wrote:She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

It's like you live in the 1970s. This is no longer the case. Nowadays it's about the power of the dollar. I know two moms who lost custody of their children because their now ex-husbands had much more money and could afford better lawyers (plus could provide that they could afford the best nannies, home, school, etc. for the children).

Yes, these days rich abusive men can perpetrate this horrendous post-separation abuse using family court. It's absolutely appalling.

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Anonymous wrote:She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

It's like you live in the 1970s. This is no longer the case. Nowadays it's about the power of the dollar. I know two moms who lost custody of their children because their now ex-husbands had much more money and could afford better lawyers (plus could provide that they could afford the best nannies, home, school, etc. for the children).

Well that’s sad. I disagree with what she’s doing- trying to move them to the UK when it’s not really clear what their home base was and certainly wasn’t the UK- but I’m not super sympathetic towards him either. They really should be living in the same area for their kids best interests and should settle this out of court.

IMO the kids have spent very little time in England, and just because it was one of the more recent locations doesn’t make it their home. Her trying to argue that it’s their home rubs me the wrong way. It’s *her* home.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Not from my perspective. He comes across as the adult. She has a partying rep and the leaving your kids for so long to work is highly unusual. London is not a bad trip east esp when you are flying first class. This whole lawsuit is to save face. I think he showed restraint even saying he is still open to sharing custody. The kidnapping thing from her is a bad look and frankly people are tired of celebrity drama. She should fire her attorney and hire one that is good with settlements and they can both move on with the co parenting

A good father would have taken the kids to see her…oh that’s right, step foot in England and the courts may side with her.

Stupid fight. 50/50 just work out what that looks like.

50/50 doesn't make a ton of sense for parents who live so far (except insofar as these two have the resources to come do most or all of their custodial time where the kids are based). No court enforces 50/50 time in different states if a parent decides to move away from the kids' home.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Not from my perspective. He comes across as the adult. She has a partying rep and the leaving your kids for so long to work is highly unusual. London is not a bad trip east esp when you are flying first class. This whole lawsuit is to save face. I think he showed restraint even saying he is still open to sharing custody. The kidnapping thing from her is a bad look and frankly people are tired of celebrity drama. She should fire her attorney and hire one that is good with settlements and they can both move on with the co parenting

This is total BS. She doesn't have a "partying rep" and the most impulsive, thing she's ever done is marry Joe in Vegas (they were already engaged though, so not that impulsive). She also didn't "leave her kids for so long." She didn't leave her kids at all. The kids were staying in the UK with her (and Joe) while she filmed this show. The ONLY reason she was apart from them in August is that Joe had to come to the US to tour, and since the parents were going to be apart no matter what (due to BOTH their work schedules, not just Sophie's) and Joe's schedule was a little more gentle, they went with him. That sounds like a reasonable joint decision and is not an example of Sophie leaving her kids. It was a few weeks. I have known many mothers who had to travel for work or a family emergency with kids that age and while it's not super fun, it's not that uncommon. And the kid's were with their father and a full time nanny Sophie helped hire.

This crap is what annoys me. Joe Jonas is literally doing shows all over the US right now while his kids are in NY with Sophie. Do you think he's not socializing at all with his brothers or others? Are you horrified that a father with two young girls would run off to play shows in Arizona and Baltimore instead of staying close to his kids during a tough time for their family. Nope. You don't give a $hit. You don't care about those children, you're just concern trolling a working mom because you think it's fund.

I had to leave my three year old for a one month trial, and this makes my blood boil.

Anonymous wrote:She will get custody and live in the UK with them. He'll get visitations. He totally underestimates the power of the mother.

It's like you live in the 1970s. This is no longer the case. Nowadays it's about the power of the dollar. I know two moms who lost custody of their children because their now ex-husbands had much more money and could afford better lawyers (plus could provide that they could afford the best nannies, home, school, etc. for the children).

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Not from my perspective. He comes across as the adult. She has a partying rep and the leaving your kids for so long to work is highly unusual. London is not a bad trip east esp when you are flying first class. This whole lawsuit is to save face. I think he showed restraint even saying he is still open to sharing custody. The kidnapping thing from her is a bad look and frankly people are tired of celebrity drama. She should fire her attorney and hire one that is good with settlements and they can both move on with the co parenting

A good father would have taken the kids to see her…oh that’s right, step foot in England and the courts may side with her.

Stupid fight. 50/50 just work out what that looks like.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Not from my perspective. He comes across as the adult. She has a partying rep and the leaving your kids for so long to work is highly unusual. London is not a bad trip east esp when you are flying first class. This whole lawsuit is to save face. I think he showed restraint even saying he is still open to sharing custody. The kidnapping thing from her is a bad look and frankly people are tired of celebrity drama. She should fire her attorney and hire one that is good with settlements and they can both move on with the co parenting

This is total BS. She doesn't have a "partying rep" and the most impulsive, thing she's ever done is marry Joe in Vegas (they were already engaged though, so not that impulsive). She also didn't "leave her kids for so long." She didn't leave her kids at all. The kids were staying in the UK with her (and Joe) while she filmed this show. The ONLY reason she was apart from them in August is that Joe had to come to the US to tour, and since the parents were going to be apart no matter what (due to BOTH their work schedules, not just Sophie's) and Joe's schedule was a little more gentle, they went with him. That sounds like a reasonable joint decision and is not an example of Sophie leaving her kids. It was a few weeks. I have known many mothers who had to travel for work or a family emergency with kids that age and while it's not super fun, it's not that uncommon. And the kid's were with their father and a full time nanny Sophie helped hire.

This crap is what annoys me. Joe Jonas is literally doing shows all over the US right now while his kids are in NY with Sophie. Do you think he's not socializing at all with his brothers or others? Are you horrified that a father with two young girls would run off to play shows in Arizona and Baltimore instead of staying close to his kids during a tough time for their family. Nope. You don't give a $hit. You don't care about those children, you're just concern trolling a working mom because you think it's fund.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

No she was seen with both kids yesterday (I saw a photo with a double stroller). She definitely has both kids. Joe is touring and not even in New York so it would be weird if she only had one daughter, especially if it was the older one, since he's working.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Not from my perspective. He comes across as the adult. She has a partying rep and the leaving your kids for so long to work is highly unusual. London is not a bad trip east esp when you are flying first class. This whole lawsuit is to save face. I think he showed restraint even saying he is still open to sharing custody. The kidnapping thing from her is a bad look and frankly people are tired of celebrity drama. She should fire her attorney and hire one that is good with settlements and they can both move on with the co parenting

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Anonymous wrote:I think she was embarrassed at all the talk of her partying and this stunt is damage control. Joe Jonas is not flakey and even his statement was calm and reasonable. The kids are American citizens and have never lived abroad so this idea of homeland feels like a stunt. He also said the kids can go back and forth but her attempt to have this adjudicated abroad is lame. He is going to be super careful after what Kelly Rutherford has experienced when her kids got shipped abroad. Hopefully they can work this out. Sad to see this kind of drama.

The kids are also UK citizens and dad decided to divorce mom who lives in the UK. It’s reasonable for her to want a UK court to decide custody considering they own a home there and intended to settle there long term. He’s a monster trying to steal kids don’t their mother

No… mom is a born and raised and UK citizen. Kids are dual citizens by birth but have been raised in the us. Mom tried to bring kids over to the UK to raise them there at the same time she was getting divorced. That does not make their residence UK. Would have had to establish true precedent before divorce which is why Sophie is desperately claiming that she and Joe had “talked” about England being their forever home.

He could be a prick for all I know. The kids could be better off with her. But legally she has no grounds to do what she’s doing, and it seems like an attempt to bring them over to the UK and raise them there despite having an American dad. This is a grown up issue the two of them should be sorting out.

Her filing says they started looking at houses to buy in the UK as early as Dec. 2022. They were living near her family for several months and then went under contract for a house in July. If they did talk about making UK their permanent home, there are likely realtors, family members, etc. who could testify to those conversations. Also if the children attended nursery school and other activities, there may be contracts with those entities that show intent for a long-term stay.

Also the fact that they sold their home in Miami concurrent with going to the UK and entering into a contract to buy a home there.

If Sophie is making it all up in order to steal the kids away from the US, what is she stealing them from? Living in hotels in various cities for the next 10 months while Joe tours? Spending most of their time with a nanny between visits with their mom? They don't even have a home here. All there stuff is in England.

She is “stealing” them from a parent who lives here. I think that’s more material than where their clothes are.

They have moved a million times. Mostly within the US. England is just one of many places they’ve lived, and for a very short period of time. He bought that home to live in as a family for some uncertain length of time- not under the pretense of divorcing his wife and having her live there with the kids in perpetuity. If there was any intent to stay there; it was clearly shattered by the dissolution of their marriage and since they were not in the uk long enough to establish a residence legally, their last legal home was the us. I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see this clearly.

What law are you referring to here that sets out how long you have to live in a place to establish legal residence?

In the us (or at least in fl and ny where they each filed) the law regarding children’s custody is where they lived for six months prior to separation.

Also according to a quick google search, in England the petitioner should be a habitual resident of England and live there for at least a year. Doesn’t really fit Sophie’s definitions. They were def mostly US based during their marriage and doesn’t sound like they really qualify for UK jurisdiction

One thing I haven't seen talked about a lot is that the oldest kid was born in July 2020 -- they've clearly rebounded, but who can say how international her first year would have been had she not been born in the midst of a global pandemic.

It's not really material -- the kids have spent time where they've spent time, though personally at their ages I don't think it really matters -- but it's sad to think that some might hold that time against Sophie (who was pretty open about her homesickness at the time) when assessing whether she should be allowed to bring her children home with her.

I agree with this and I also just think given the timing of when her kids were born, and the pandemic, and the fact that she's been living in the US and all her family is back in the UK, and she's talked about being homesick and missing England, it just kind of paints a picture of someone who likely felt pretty isolated over the last few years. The move back to the UK (or at least the she says was a move, though Joe seems determined to not have it portrayed that way) and her taking on a major role in a project, seemed like the kind of things a lot of young mothers do, or want to do, when the reality of being a mother sets in. It's so common for women to realize the value of having their families nearby, of being in spaces that really feel like home and feel supportive.

I also think about that decision to buy the Miami house, and how it just looks very transparently like it was a tax thing. And I think what it would be like to have one baby during a pandemic and then another living in a house and a city where I have very little connection at all. I mean, look, they are very wealthy and can travel, they can fly Sophie's family out if need be, they can hire help. But that's not the same as just feeling good in your home and having the support around you that you feel you need.

I get I may be imposing my own experience on this or reading too much between the lines, but from where I sit, I have a lot of empathy for her situation. I have no idea what happened with their marriage or if Joe was just not interested in relocating to the UK, or expressed interest and then changed his mind or what. I'm sure he has his own stuff. But mom to mom, I feel for Sophie and I get why she's eager to get back to the UK and why she wants to raise her kids there. I think it's probably what I'd want in her situation, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

Her filing says she has both kids. The little one may have been back at the hotel napping or something. Presumably she has a suite or a couple rooms -- but still, must be a tough set up with two kids that young.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.

She has both kids with her at the moment. And they were out having lunch together a week ago. The fight is mostly legal at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know much about either of these two, I know Joe Jonas as part of the Jonas Brothers. I didn’t know his wife was on GOT (No, didn’t watch it). So I read up a little.

Here’s my impression.

They didn’t seem to publicize their kids, even withheld their names from the public for awhile.

Joe Jonas is pap’d carrying the kids cause Joe’s on tour. Public impression: “What a great dad to take so much care of their kids while mom is off working. She’s not a great mom.” I have no idea why most think so much more of a father taking care oh his kids more than a mother taking care of her kids. IMO, he never looked happy carrying the kids.

This whole story line of him taking care of the kids was all him and his PR team to make Sophie look bad. Pictures were a pap stroll and worked, at least in the beginning. Shame on him and his team.

To balance your analysis I thought you would mention Sophie being pap’d with the kids this week your take on that.

I only saw a picture of her with one kid. I wondered if Joe won’t let her have both kids together. Even with out the passports, she could take them anywhere in US and let him chase her down to see them.

He’s coming out looking ugly in this fight.