Why did people poo-poo unions earlier in this thread? They have signed contracts, and at least with respect to the SEC it was heavily litigated and likely won’t be poked at for while. I don’t know how you get more protection than that against whatever Biden is trying to push.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

Lol. If you are sitting, I am sure it’s someone’s fart chair.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I wouldn't mind hoteling at all. The only thing Id worry about is sitting in someone's fart chair.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

Wow. Even admin ladies have an office in my program (but 2 admin staff per office)

Admin "ladies"?!

What’s wrong with it? Not PC?

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

Wow. Even admin ladies have an office in my program (but 2 admin staff per office)

Admin "ladies"?!

Yes, they are all women. Not even 1 guy secretary in the program

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

Wow. Even admin ladies have an office in my program (but 2 admin staff per office)

Admin "ladies"?!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just so crazy how posters have longed bashed/judges/second-guessed school closings, laugh at posters who still wear masks or avoid eating in restaurants indoors or traveling, etc., and scream to the hills “Covid is over!” but still insist that they have a God given right to WFH forever.

Why is the whole world expected to put the pandemic behind them except federal workers?

Argument is no longer about Covid. Feds are asking "why is it necessary" to RTO? I think it's a fair question. If work got done during WFH period, what changed? Yes, it's an endless circle of argument.

It’s a fair question but some of the wfh crowd won’t acknowledge any benefits of being in person. Before the pandemic my whole office was required to be in the office 4 days a week and after the Zients memo we’ve been told we need to be in 2 days a week starting this fall. Seems entirely reasonable to me, generous even, I find my coworkers’ strenuous objections embarrassing.

Are there any benefits as long as all of our meetings are via Teams? If you want work to return to a 2019 environment then you need to get rid of Teams and WebEx. You’re focusing on in-office work when really the problem is Teams.

Exactly. I'm in an office that supports sites around the DC region, up to the PA and WV lines, and before covid we spent a lot more time driving around to those sites for meetings. Teams has saved a lot of paid time and gas.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just so crazy how posters have longed bashed/judges/second-guessed school closings, laugh at posters who still wear masks or avoid eating in restaurants indoors or traveling, etc., and scream to the hills “Covid is over!” but still insist that they have a God given right to WFH forever.

Why is the whole world expected to put the pandemic behind them except federal workers?

Argument is no longer about Covid. Feds are asking "why is it necessary" to RTO? I think it's a fair question. If work got done during WFH period, what changed? Yes, it's an endless circle of argument.

It’s a fair question but some of the wfh crowd won’t acknowledge any benefits of being in person. Before the pandemic my whole office was required to be in the office 4 days a week and after the Zients memo we’ve been told we need to be in 2 days a week starting this fall. Seems entirely reasonable to me, generous even, I find my coworkers’ strenuous objections embarrassing.

Are there any benefits as long as all of our meetings are via Teams? If you want work to return to a 2019 environment then you need to get rid of Teams and WebEx. You’re focusing on in-office work when really the problem is Teams.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

Wow. Even admin ladies have an office in my program (but 2 admin staff per office)

PP here. My building was just renovated too, they chose rows and rows of cubicles.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace

I'd be happy to hotel, but I'm not being given that option.

I currently work 1 day in office. i could see working 2. If they tell me work three or give up my office I’d probably give up my office but it will also make that day less productive.

I wouldn’t mind 50% telework if it meant that people would finally stfu about feds. But they won’t. It’s a constant obsession with beating up on a tiny population of people and a literal drop in the federal budget bucket. Sick of the cheap shots and the crap pay. Can’t wait to get out.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden has no clue what he wants.

He needs votes and money for the election.

He’s not getting mine if they force RTO.

You gonna vote for Trump now? Talk about selfish.

You’ll go back to an office under Trump too..

I highly doubt angry Biden voters would vote for DT because of RTO. I just don't see that. What I think it may happen is disappointed fed voters not voting in 2024. Given how close recent elections have been, every vote will count.

Yes. I’m sure the Biden administration is terrified of angry feds in DC and the VA and MD suburbs sitting out of the election for RTO It’s the opposite - they are doing this so they don’t look soft with swing voters who think that feds are getting paid to do nothing while WFH while they are in the office all week.

Does anyone outside of DC really care about what Federal employees are doing?

Ya, but they aren’t swing voters. They’re hardcore foaming at the mouth, Trump voters. The swing voters are the moms here, in VA, quietly working at home and raising their families and may just not turn out if they’re feeling like they’re being served up as red meat for conservatives to abuse some more. It’s gotten old. Pandering to DC pols is also not popular in swing districts in VA. Dumb move. But, they’re not actually pushing it. I don’t think much will change.

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

Wow. Even admin ladies have an office in my program (but 2 admin staff per office)

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Anonymous wrote:my agency is trying to force 6 days PP by taking away our offices if we don't comply.

What are they telling you exactly? If you give up your office, are they allowing you to continue WFH?

You will only have a dedicated workspace (offices, cubicles alike) if you come in 6 days PP, otherwise you have to hotel. They aren't taking away the option to WFH, but if you're a supervisor you are strongly urged to take the 6 days option

I'm already a supervisor in a cubicle (you have to be two levels above me to get an office). So that doesn't sound like much of a threat to me. I'd take that deal.

You'd take the 6 days or hotel? The policy impacts everyone basically since everyone, office or not, has a dedicated workspace