Anonymous wrote:Is plane noise an issue in Berkley - around Calvert/48th?

It is a really lovely area but with a lot of airplane noise especially on days with North Flow operations.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad.

For some yes. For others no.

I presume that those whom it bothers would never buy there. From how they make it sound it is almost a near death experience every time they are in the presence of airplanes.

I cannot imagine what that is like. But this is the only thing that make sense as to the level of vilification they have for the airplane path.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad.

For some yes. For others no.

It’s really not that big of a deal. All these people have nothing else going on in their lives

Is plane noise an issue in Berkley - around Calvert/48th?

How can this thread be this long. How many threads can we possibly have on airplane noise. Most people are not bothered by it. Some are insanely bothered and would rather live in hell. How can there by hundreds of threads saying this?

Anonymous wrote:The idiots saying “move” are just that — idiots. Dumping ultrafine particles on densely populated areas is one of the dumbest ideas, and is one of a long list of reasons that you americans look so terrible. Your food is poison, your air gives you cancer, and your water is chemical laden, and you people just shrug it off because thats the american way — letting corporations do whatever in exchange for a bit more convenience. America is the third world country of first world countries and it’s laughable.

Agree. The majority agrees. But we have the minority running things right now and it SUCKS.

Anonymous wrote:they are overblown.

If you think it's an issue, just move. I don't understand why you people think you have a position here? You live in a dense area with a nearby airport...stop complaining about something that is in your control.

New windows, better insulation, upgrade your home or move.

You can't escape unless you move out of DC metro altogether. There area 2 major airports and one is smack in the middle of what became a very densely populated collection of urban and suburban communities (DC, MD, VA). Flight paths change depending on who is lobbying and even if you aren't in a flight path today, you can be tomorrow or vice versa. Also paths change depending on weather/wind. So, visiting the area when you are buying the house and sitting there for 1 hour on a given day doesn't give you accurate picture of the noise pattern you may encounter living there full time. Stop being snobby if you happen to be lucky now. It's a big issue for a lot of communities and for everyone who isn't a hermit locked up in their house listening to headphones or a TV with closed windows or not spending much time at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people buy a house close to an airport and then complain?

The honest answer to your question is that people who buy houses in areas with acute airplane noise might not be aware of the problem before they move in. They are focused on 100 other things in their house hunt, and they have never lived in Glen Echo Heights, Palisades, Foxhall, Woodmont, etc., so they just don't know.

Then the morning after move-in day -- at about 5:12am -- they start to learn. For obvious reasons, no realtor or neighbor will have warned them.

Before we made an offer on our Glen Echo house, we did the research, sat in front of the house for an extended period of time, and spoke to neighbors about the airplane noise. We decided it was a non-issue and it still is a non-issue for us. It’s fine.

It is great to hear that there are people who either don't care or are just asleep at the wheel. Good news for our property values. However, there are many people who DO CARE a LOT. As a resident of Glen Echo you should count yourself lucky that most of the recent efforts by Montgomery County to convince the FAA to send airplanes further east and "over the river", i.e. closer to Glen Echo were unsuccessful. If I were you I would be very vigilant in the future. Nobody wants to be in the other camp.

Where are they sending the airplanes now? Where do they veer off the river instead of following it along?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people buy a house close to an airport and then complain?

The honest answer to your question is that people who buy houses in areas with acute airplane noise might not be aware of the problem before they move in. They are focused on 100 other things in their house hunt, and they have never lived in Glen Echo Heights, Palisades, Foxhall, Woodmont, etc., so they just don't know.

Then the morning after move-in day -- at about 5:12am -- they start to learn. For obvious reasons, no realtor or neighbor will have warned them.

Before we made an offer on our Glen Echo house, we did the research, sat in front of the house for an extended period of time, and spoke to neighbors about the airplane noise. We decided it was a non-issue and it still is a non-issue for us. It’s fine.

It is great to hear that there are people who either don't care or are just asleep at the wheel. Good news for our property values. However, there are many people who DO CARE a LOT. As a resident of Glen Echo you should count yourself lucky that most of the recent efforts by Montgomery County to convince the FAA to send airplanes further east and "over the river", i.e. closer to Glen Echo were unsuccessful. If I were you I would be very vigilant in the future. Nobody wants to be in the other camp.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do people buy a house close to an airport and then complain?

The honest answer to your question is that people who buy houses in areas with acute airplane noise might not be aware of the problem before they move in. They are focused on 100 other things in their house hunt, and they have never lived in Glen Echo Heights, Palisades, Foxhall, Woodmont, etc., so they just don't know.

Then the morning after move-in day -- at about 5:12am -- they start to learn. For obvious reasons, no realtor or neighbor will have warned them.

Before we made an offer on our Glen Echo house, we did the research, sat in front of the house for an extended period of time, and spoke to neighbors about the airplane noise. We decided it was a non-issue and it still is a non-issue for us. It’s fine.

I live in Glen Echo/Mohican Hills and the airplane noise is fine. I used to live near 270 and I can compare it to the hum of 270 but it’s not constant. It’s there but not bothersome and after while you tune it out. I think I get more constant noise from Mass Avenue.

I don’t know why this topic gets so much traction. If you don’t live in one of the airplane noise areas, why do you care?

Anonymous wrote:The idiots saying “move” are just that — idiots. Dumping ultrafine particles on densely populated areas is one of the dumbest ideas, and is one of a long list of reasons that you americans look so terrible. Your food is poison, your air gives you cancer, and your water is chemical laden, and you people just shrug it off because thats the american way — letting corporations do whatever in exchange for a bit more convenience. America is the third world country of first world countries and it’s laughable.

yes but I am very rich thanks to it!

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Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad

Not really an issue in Potomac. The North Flow flight pattern that has many up in arms has flights departing DCA go up the river and then either turn right/inland at Glen Echo and ascend over Bethesda (just inside the Beltway), or turn "left" over Cabin John and ascend over Carderock, Great Falls Park, and then Virginia. While a few of the southernmost streets of Potomac may be affected -- although at that point the planes are pretty high -- the majority of Potomac isn't. In fact, overall the consolidation of the (northbound) outbound DCA flight patterns into two main routes probably lessened aviation traffic over Potomac.

It is not a problem in Potomac because Potomac residents with the help of Montgomery County worked with the FAA to shift the flight path in 2021 away from Potomac and towards Carderock and other Montgomery County communities along the river. It is illustrated on page 2.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/625ea372efb30866190dfba3/t/62845a7e63440f52e4f5f4a8/1652841087287/2021.01_MCQSC_Update.pdf

Very helpful to see the visuals. MoCo residents who complained about airplanes being closer to their homes after 2021 were told by the DCA Community Noise Working Group that there is no way a human eye can tell the location of an airplane in the sky.

Nothing helps other than moving