Anonymous
01/31/2023 17:15
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:
One of them was a prison guard before joining the MPD.
Not at all uncommon for someone to get their start in law enforcement as a jailer.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 13:41
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: he really should have just complied. It really is that simple.
And the speed with which they criminally charged those poor officers? It was solely to try to avoid the woke mobs from launching another “fiery but mostly peaceful riot.” It’s a miscarriage of justice they were charged so fast. They are being railroaded.
Why do you all keep insisting on this BS. He was complying after the initial stop. Definitely as best he could to confusing directions. And they still tased him and continued to get rougher with him. It’s no wonder he ran at that point. His fight or flight instinct took over
+1
Being given, at times, contradictory commands doesn't justify active resistance. Everyone knows that you are hands go behind your back.
DS (white) was a passenger in a luxury car driven by his friend (black). DS started recording the interaction because he got so frightened for his friend. The officer at his window was asking for license and registration along with questions about the owner of the car and the officer on the passenger side of the window kept telling him to keep his hands on the wheel.
DS said neither officer even acknowledged him or made any comments about his hands or movements in the car (like playing with his phone to start recording). DS was never detained. His friend was. They didn't cuff him but did make him exit the vehicle and set on the curb. DS was allowed to remain in the car until 2 more officers arrived and then they simply told him to go stand off to the side. They questioned him over and over if his friend was really his friend and said things "Listen, if there's something in the car, tell me now. You don't want to get jammed up because of this guy." "Is there nothing in the car or is there nothing you know of in the car? Again, if I find it, everyone is going to jail. Don't get jammed up over someone else."
Initial stop was because the officer said my son's friend weaved. Once they determined it was a teen driving and not an adult, they shifted. It turned into searching for drugs. His friend told them they couldn't search the vehicle and the officer said it didn't matter because they smelled weed and that gave them probable cause.
They were 4 minutes from our house when this happened. I was waiting in the driveway when they got back and there was zero weed smell in that car or on their clothes. I didn't think so because DS has terrible asthma and his friend is very clean-cut.
That is awful. Did you file a complaint? Please be an ally. You can complain just on behalf of your child’s treatment and impact of what he witnessed
This is how they have treated teens from all races for decades. Same crap happened to me 20 years ago for being white driving through a rough neighborhood. I made a last minute turn into a neighborhood and they lit me up and shook down the car and made threats. Unless you are wealthy there is nothing you can do about it. Cops are on a power trip.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 13:34
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
At least two out of of five Memphis police officers charged with murder in the fatal beatdown of Tyre Nichols joined the force after the department relaxed its hiring requirements.
Tadarrius Bean and Demetrius Haley both joined the Memphis Police Department in Aug. 2020, NBC News reported, more than two years after the department dramatically loosened the education qualifications to become an officer.
Recruits no longer needed an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours to join the force, and could get by with five years of work experience, Action 5 reported.
Loosening the required qualifications however means that the department is ultimately getting “less desirable” job candidates, Mike Alcazar, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired NYPD detective, told The Post.
“They’re desperate. They want police officers,” Alcazar said. “They’re going through it, they check off some boxes, saying, ‘Ok, they’re good enough, get them on.”‘Ok, they’re good enough, get them on.”
https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/memphis-cops-in-tyre-nichols-murder-hired-after-pd-relaxed-job-standards/
Bean may have been hired after they relaxed the standards allowing for non-graduates but Bean did graduate from college. Haley was the one who had worked as a prison guard in the Shelby County Division of Corrections (and had been hit with a federal civil rights lawsuit for beating up an inmate.)
Anonymous
01/31/2023 13:27
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Police departments need job training and placement to get rid of ones that don’t work out instead of making them SROs, Court schedulers, managing fixing cars and a myriad on of other jobs that should not be done by cops. ,
SRO positions should not be a dumping ground for bad cops.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 13:24
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
Good point.
PP upthread stated good cops are afraid of dirty cops. "Snitches get stitches" is what the PP said.
They need to get rid of dirty cops, end of discussion. They are a menace to good citizens, a menace to good cops, a menace to American democracy.
One of them was a prison guard before joining the MPD.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 13:08
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Police departments need job training and placement to get rid of ones that don’t work out instead of making them SROs, Court schedulers, managing fixing cars and a myriad on of other jobs that should not be done by cops. ,
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:49
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
Good point.
PP upthread stated good cops are afraid of dirty cops. "Snitches get stitches" is what the PP said.
They need to get rid of dirty cops, end of discussion. They are a menace to good citizens, a menace to good cops, a menace to American democracy.
I think the problem is that there is no incentive for good cops to turn in bad cops—and a lot of incentive to look the other way. I mean, if the bad cops get caught doing something horrible then they will be ones facing jail time, and any monetary settlements received by the victim’s family will be financed by the taxpayers. So no skin in the game there. However, if the good cop snitches on the bad cop his life will probably be turned into a living hell, no matter how honorable his intentions were.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:48
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
It seems like there's a lot of rot and dysfunction in Memphis's emergency services.
You'd at least expect EMTs to have some compassion and decency.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:37
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
At least two out of of five Memphis police officers charged with murder in the fatal beatdown of Tyre Nichols joined the force after the department relaxed its hiring requirements.
Tadarrius Bean and Demetrius Haley both joined the Memphis Police Department in Aug. 2020, NBC News reported, more than two years after the department dramatically loosened the education qualifications to become an officer.
Recruits no longer needed an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours to join the force, and could get by with five years of work experience, Action 5 reported.
Loosening the required qualifications however means that the department is ultimately getting “less desirable” job candidates, Mike Alcazar, an adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired NYPD detective, told The Post.
“They’re desperate. They want police officers,” Alcazar said. “They’re going through it, they check off some boxes, saying, ‘Ok, they’re good enough, get them on.”‘Ok, they’re good enough, get them on.”
https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/memphis-cops-in-tyre-nichols-murder-hired-after-pd-relaxed-job-standards/
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:32
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: he really should have just complied. It really is that simple.
And the speed with which they criminally charged those poor officers? It was solely to try to avoid the woke mobs from launching another “fiery but mostly peaceful riot.” It’s a miscarriage of justice they were charged so fast. They are being railroaded.
This has been thoroughly covered. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Try again.
The coverage is that a crazy lady thinks that running from the cops and resisting arrest didn't occur even though there is video of both things happening.
This poor guy contributed do his own demise, like it or not.
Or . Hear me out. They had his car. They knew where he lived. All of this should’ve ended when he ran and they couldn’t catch up.but I’m just LE. What do I know
You don’t know what you are talking about. Besides being a former prosecutor I am a former county attorney (same as a DA) who was responsible for the civil liability of an entire jurisdiction. In terms of balancing public safety v costs,
Former prosecutor here and this is spot on. He was not accused of any offense that would justify a police chase, they should have towed his vehicle and proceeded from there. The chase was wrong from the start and the reason municipalities put chase limits in place for law enforcement is because experience has taught us that chases lead to amped cops who do not deescalate or control themselves appropriately and that leads sometimes to horrific fatal car crashes involving innocent bystanders or to acts of police brutality that both result in multi million dollar payouts. It’s a business issue as well as a civil liberties issue and public safety issue. The cops should only be chasing people who they have an actual good faith belief are an imminent danger to public safety and a kid fleeing a misdemeanor traffic stop is absolutely not that.
You are conflating foot pursuits and vehicle pursuits. Not the same thing at all.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Get back to me when you’ve worked for years with law enforcement in the capacity of managing their violations of civil liberties and their egregious acts of brutality brought on by raging hormones from chasing a punk who doesn’t immediately comply. There is a reason that rational people in positions of leadership set parameters for these potential monsters.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:31
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
Good point.
PP upthread stated good cops are afraid of dirty cops. "Snitches get stitches" is what the PP said.
They need to get rid of dirty cops, end of discussion. They are a menace to good citizens, a menace to good cops, a menace to American democracy.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:08
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: he really should have just complied. It really is that simple.
And the speed with which they criminally charged those poor officers? It was solely to try to avoid the woke mobs from launching another “fiery but mostly peaceful riot.” It’s a miscarriage of justice they were charged so fast. They are being railroaded.
This has been thoroughly covered. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Try again.
The coverage is that a crazy lady thinks that running from the cops and resisting arrest didn't occur even though there is video of both things happening.
This poor guy contributed do his own demise, like it or not.
Or . Hear me out. They had his car. They knew where he lived. All of this should’ve ended when he ran and they couldn’t catch up.but I’m just LE. What do I know
Former prosecutor here and this is spot on. He was not accused of any offense that would justify a police chase, they should have towed his vehicle and proceeded from there. The chase was wrong from the start and the reason municipalities put chase limits in place for law enforcement is because experience has taught us that chases lead to amped cops who do not deescalate or control themselves appropriately and that leads sometimes to horrific fatal car crashes involving innocent bystanders or to acts of police brutality that both result in multi million dollar payouts. It’s a business issue as well as a civil liberties issue and public safety issue. The cops should only be chasing people who they have an actual good faith belief are an imminent danger to public safety and a kid fleeing a misdemeanor traffic stop is absolutely not that.
You are conflating foot pursuits and vehicle pursuits. Not the same thing at all.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:06
Subject: Re:Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bottom line: he really should have just complied. It really is that simple.
And the speed with which they criminally charged those poor officers? It was solely to try to avoid the woke mobs from launching another “fiery but mostly peaceful riot.” It’s a miscarriage of justice they were charged so fast. They are being railroaded.
This has been thoroughly covered. Your reading comprehension is terrible. Try again.
The coverage is that a crazy lady thinks that running from the cops and resisting arrest didn't occur even though there is video of both things happening.
This poor guy contributed do his own demise, like it or not.
Or . Hear me out. They had his car. They knew where he lived. All of this should’ve ended when he ran and they couldn’t catch up.but I’m just LE. What do I know
How did they know where he lived? The car could have been registered to someone else. They also don't know why he was running. A vehicle pursuit is one thing but a foot pursuit is completely different in terms of risk to the general public.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 12:00
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As expected (yet comments deleted multiple times) Monday has now come and this story is being buried in National news media. By next Friday, this will be ancient history. Pretty clear agenda and priorities the main stream media has (specifically racially oriented division)
More national news tonight that three EMTs and a seventh police officer have been fired. Not sure what stupid point you’re trying to make but this story is not “buried.”
It’s incredibly depressing that *even the EMTs* were caught up in the corruption. The real heroes here are the cameras. Without them I doubt there would have been any justice for the Nichols family.
How exactly were those five cops hired? Looks like no one decent even wants to be a cop these days. So they’re forced to hire almost anyone who applies. Imagine that.
Anonymous
01/31/2023 11:55
Subject: Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need police reform. Brookings made the following bipartisan recommendations based on research from both sides of the aisle (in 2021):
Short-Term Reforms
Reform Qualified Immunity
Create National Standards for Training and De-escalation
Medium-Term Reforms
Restructure Civilian Payouts for Police Misconduct
Address Officer Wellness
Long-Term Reforms
Restructure Regulations for Fraternal Order of Police Contracts
Change Police Culture to Protect Civilians and Police
We know what needs to be done…we just need to do it.
These sound very sensible. Good to know there was bipartisan agreement on these measures.
I hope the political will to make these reforms happen.
Who exactly agreed?