Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:44
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Well clearly you don't work in a setting where you wear masks all day. Or if you do, you are lucky to work with no one with a hearing impairment, soft spoken, or is still developing speech (like a young child).
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:31
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
I was at Inova Fairfax for a procedure and a lot of professionals were more flexible about pulling masks down when walking in hall, not with patients, etc.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:25
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
Really, you don't care about anyone who gets covid from you and just using them as a talking point. I'll gladly keep masking, just if anything to annoy you!
You should really consider what a deeply awful person you must be to say that to someone who relies on lip reading. It’s not “annoying,” it’s extremely isolating and debilitating. But yes your feelings and anxiety are way more important. Again, try to consider what a horrible person you are and whether there’s any hope for rehabilitating yourself.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:22
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Why are people masking outside again? Are they covid+, or paranoid?
Ye, I masked outside when I was still testing positive in accordance with CDC guidelines
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:15
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Why are people masking outside again? Are they covid+, or paranoid?
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:15
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
You know what's a bigger pain - having covid. I'll gladly wear a mask to not get it again.
I'm sure people who lip read would prefer you not give them covid.
Lip reader here. Nope, not worried about you giving me Covid. Take off the stupid mask and get help for your anxiety.
Covid is not anxiety. Grow up and realize how serious it is for a very small percentage of the population.
DP. fixed that for you.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:13
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
You know what's a bigger pain - having covid. I'll gladly wear a mask to not get it again.
I'm sure people who lip read would prefer you not give them covid.
Lip reader here. Nope, not worried about you giving me Covid. Take off the stupid mask and get help for your anxiety.
Covid is not anxiety. Grow up and realize how serious it is.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 08:07
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
You know what's a bigger pain - having covid. I'll gladly wear a mask to not get it again.
I'm sure people who lip read would prefer you not give them covid.
I mean you can say that all you want, it's not going to change anyone's behavior. I actually do wear a mask at the office and in stores, so lecturing me is pointless.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 07:39
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
You know what's a bigger pain - having covid. I'll gladly wear a mask to not get it again.
I'm sure people who lip read would prefer you not give them covid.
Lip reader here. Nope, not worried about you giving me Covid. Take off the stupid mask and get help for your anxiety.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 07:37
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
Really, you don't care about anyone who gets covid from you and just using them as a talking point. I'll gladly keep masking, just if anything to annoy you!
Anonymous
07/15/2022 07:36
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
You know what's a bigger pain - having covid. I'll gladly wear a mask to not get it again.
I'm sure people who lip read would prefer you not give them covid.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 07:28
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
+1 these people all confused about why so many people are ditching masks are deluded. Wearing a mask is a PITA. If you get acne, if you have glasses, if you are hard of hearing, it's anywhere from a daily frustration to physically harmful to deeply limiting. It's not sustainable to ask people to do it for 8-10 hours a day indefinitely. Even people who wear masks in stores/at work do not wear them around their loved ones and close friends, and there is a reason for that. Add to that all the mixed messaging about cloth vs surgical vs N95/KN95/KF94 masks. Wake up people.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 06:32
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.
Tell that to someone who lip reads. Yes yes, I know, you don’t care about those people. Oh and you know what’s NOT stopping you from getting covid anymore? Your flimsy mask. Thank goodness we’re done with that nonsense.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 05:32
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous how personally persecuted some of you are behaving.
But they had to wear a MASK!!! During a deadly pandemic!!
They suffered so.
I know. It was sooooo haaaaard.
The cloth masks turned out to not be effective!
why are you wearing cloth then.
Because some government told us cloth masks were effective but really wanted to avoid hoarding of N95s. Now we don't trust them. I don't know why.
They were helpful I’d they were better quality masks and had filters. When they pushed cloth, disposable were not easily available. It’s better than what we have now which is nothing.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 05:30
Subject: BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.
I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.
Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.
You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.
I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.
That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.
Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020
Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.
I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.
Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.
I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.
We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.
My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.
This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.
Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.
I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.
This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.
I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.
PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.
NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":
1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.
2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.
3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.
4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.
5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.
Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?
I don't get why you think this would be worse than what's currently happening. Teachers are already getting covid and they don't usually get that much paid sick leave. They should, and if a class shuts down as a result, it's for an actual reason and not just precautionary. Also, a 10 day quarantine for exposure is really out of step with incubation time for current variants, if you think it's necessary in day cares (but not any other high risk setting) you could reduce it by half and do half the damage with probably very little added risk.
Or…just stop shutting classrooms down. If you are sick, don’t come to school. Come back when you feel better. Like any other illness. Current Covid doesn’t have the complications of 2020 Covid. We’ve moved past that and it should now be treated as any other virus
I’m a teacher and yes to this. Now that anyone can get vaccinated, the mitigations need to stop.
Vaccines are not fully stopping transmission so you want a good chunk of your students and families sick because you are too lazy for basic precautions.
Vaccines are helping prevent severe illness, so I want it treated like any other illness at this point. We don't preventive-mask en masse for the flu. Masks when you have mild symptoms or have been exposed- sure that makes sense. But masks DO impede communication and having to enforce mask usage was one. more. thing. to do.
It does not impede communication but getting Covid and being really sick does.