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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

Why don’t you tell us precisely where on Georgia or 16th or any of these other streets people are going 60 mph? Which blocks, exactly? Because it’s fairly clear to the rest of us that you’re just making things up

Very good logic. If someone doesn't quote a specific block then it can't be true. It's not like a general arterial has issues all up and down it.

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Anonymous wrote:And wouldn't it better for the environment for all that pollution to be emitted in an area surrounded by trees rather than houses? Wouldn't it be better for that speeding to happen in an area without people rather than one with?

Only a fool would believe that that traffic just magically disappears now that the road is closed off. The traffic always goes somewhere. It's like a river in that regard. In this case that traffic has gone into the residential neighborhoods abutting the Park.

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Anonymous wrote:Interstates and ring roads obliterated almost every CBD in the United States, bar a small few - Manhattan being the only real exception - that retained some semblance of a public transportation system and pedestrian walkability.

But now car infrastructure is necessary to protect the same CBDs that they devastated? That’s really some Jedi mind trick shit. Go work for Boeing.

Do people come here straight from Mars without bothering to read anything about the history of the places they wax lyrical here. I knew DCUM was ridiculous, but this? Come on . . .

This is ahistorical and quite funny. I suppose that you wish more US cities were like Amsterdam? You may want to look at a map because Amsterdam has, you guessed it, a ring road. But yes, tell me more about how ring roads “devastated” cities.

It honestly seems quite evangelical how assured you are of your world view despite it being contrary to actual facts. You are welcome to have aesthetic preferences about your built environment, just as I do or anyone else. You are not welcome to invent your own facts.

Here’s some econometrics in case a legion of American historians can’t convince you: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25098858

The Quarterly Journal of Economics is, uh, not particularly easy to publish in.

You made a very specific claim that ring roads “devastated” CBDs. I pointed out that there is a ring road in Amsterdam, which I thought was the gold standard for urbanism. So in response you google up some academic paper equivalent of a non sequiter. You clearly don’t have an idea what you’re talking about.

If one has to explain to you why Amsterdam having a ring road doesn't mean that the transportation infrastructure of the Netherlands is broadly similar to that of the United States and why posting an article published in the word's best economics journal that quite literally proves the point is not a non-sequitur, then you need a lot of explaining. Sadly, I don't have time for that.

Nice of you to finally admit that ring roads don’t “devastate” CBDs. I would also like an explanation of why you consider the article relevant, because it’s about a different topic. You clearly quickly googled it without even bothering to read the abstract. Funny.

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Anonymous wrote:And wouldn't it better for the environment for all that pollution to be emitted in an area surrounded by trees rather than houses? Wouldn't it be better for that speeding to happen in an area without people rather than one with?

Only a fool would believe that that traffic just magically disappears now that the road is closed off. The traffic always goes somewhere. It's like a river in that regard. In this case that traffic has gone into the residential neighborhoods abutting the Park.

Only a fool would believe that more roads means less traffic in the long run.

Only a selfish person would argue for the status quo because it benefits them without consideration for the big picture.

Anonymous wrote:And wouldn't it better for the environment for all that pollution to be emitted in an area surrounded by trees rather than houses? Wouldn't it be better for that speeding to happen in an area without people rather than one with?

Only a fool would believe that that traffic just magically disappears now that the road is closed off. The traffic always goes somewhere. It's like a river in that regard. In this case that traffic has gone into the residential neighborhoods abutting the Park.

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Anonymous wrote:Hell no to opening Beach Drive. We shouldn't prioritize environmental health and saving an endangered species because you all make stupid choices about living a car-dependent lifestyle.

Hello bicyclist. There's no need to lie about environmental health and endangered species. I'd rather people drive on Beach than through the neighborhoods. Clearly you would prefer commuters in the neighborhoods rather than return to the status quo now that WFH is ending. Your closure of Beach has pushed hundreds of daily commuters into my residential neighborhood and that endangers school children.

We should go the other direction and add a few lanes in each direction on Beach drive all the way up to MD. It would mean less time idling in traffic and safer streets so it's the environmental and street safety choice. I'm thinking about 5 lanes in each direction. So what if we lose a little greenery?

(do you see how dumb it sounds?)

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Anonymous wrote:Hell no to opening Beach Drive. We shouldn't prioritize environmental health and saving an endangered species because you all make stupid choices about living a car-dependent lifestyle.

Hello bicyclist. There's no need to lie about environmental health and endangered species. I'd rather people drive on Beach than through the neighborhoods. Clearly you would prefer commuters in the neighborhoods rather than return to the status quo now that WFH is ending. Your closure of Beach has pushed hundreds of daily commuters into my residential neighborhood and that endangers school children.

Anonymous wrote:Hell no to opening Beach Drive. We shouldn't prioritize environmental health and saving an endangered species because you all make stupid choices about living a car-dependent lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

^^this. I have had many conversations with coworkers who could metro but just like to drive and enjoy our ample free parking (despite the metro being literally in front of our building.) I seriously do not GAF if they find their car commute unfriendly.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

Why don’t you tell us precisely where on Georgia or 16th or any of these other streets people are going 60 mph? Which blocks, exactly? Because it’s fairly clear to the rest of us that you’re just making things up

Very good logic. If someone doesn't quote a specific block then it can't be true. It's not like a general arterial has issues all up and down it.

Troll score: 2/10. Needs more work.

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Anonymous wrote:Interstates and ring roads obliterated almost every CBD in the United States, bar a small few - Manhattan being the only real exception - that retained some semblance of a public transportation system and pedestrian walkability.

But now car infrastructure is necessary to protect the same CBDs that they devastated? That’s really some Jedi mind trick shit. Go work for Boeing.

Do people come here straight from Mars without bothering to read anything about the history of the places they wax lyrical here. I knew DCUM was ridiculous, but this? Come on . . .

This is ahistorical and quite funny. I suppose that you wish more US cities were like Amsterdam? You may want to look at a map because Amsterdam has, you guessed it, a ring road. But yes, tell me more about how ring roads “devastated” cities.

It honestly seems quite evangelical how assured you are of your world view despite it being contrary to actual facts. You are welcome to have aesthetic preferences about your built environment, just as I do or anyone else. You are not welcome to invent your own facts.

Here’s some econometrics in case a legion of American historians can’t convince you: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25098858

The Quarterly Journal of Economics is, uh, not particularly easy to publish in.

You made a very specific claim that ring roads “devastated” CBDs. I pointed out that there is a ring road in Amsterdam, which I thought was the gold standard for urbanism. So in response you google up some academic paper equivalent of a non sequiter. You clearly don’t have an idea what you’re talking about.

If one has to explain to you why Amsterdam having a ring road doesn't mean that the transportation infrastructure of the Netherlands is broadly similar to that of the United States and why posting an article published in the word's best economics journal that quite literally proves the point is not a non-sequitur, then you need a lot of explaining. Sadly, I don't have time for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

This is a joke. The only time of day this would be possible is 2 AM and your “objective evidence” is using your subjective eyes. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Interstates and ring roads obliterated almost every CBD in the United States, bar a small few - Manhattan being the only real exception - that retained some semblance of a public transportation system and pedestrian walkability.

But now car infrastructure is necessary to protect the same CBDs that they devastated? That’s really some Jedi mind trick shit. Go work for Boeing.

Do people come here straight from Mars without bothering to read anything about the history of the places they wax lyrical here. I knew DCUM was ridiculous, but this? Come on . . .

This is ahistorical and quite funny. I suppose that you wish more US cities were like Amsterdam? You may want to look at a map because Amsterdam has, you guessed it, a ring road. But yes, tell me more about how ring roads “devastated” cities.

It honestly seems quite evangelical how assured you are of your world view despite it being contrary to actual facts. You are welcome to have aesthetic preferences about your built environment, just as I do or anyone else. You are not welcome to invent your own facts.

Here’s some econometrics in case a legion of American historians can’t convince you: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25098858

The Quarterly Journal of Economics is, uh, not particularly easy to publish in.

You made a very specific claim that ring roads “devastated” CBDs. I pointed out that there is a ring road in Amsterdam, which I thought was the gold standard for urbanism. So in response you google up some academic paper equivalent of a non sequiter. You clearly don’t have an idea what you’re talking about.