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What annoys me is the special treatment and perks the athletes get once in the school.

Athletes at my Ivy League school got free one-on-one tutoring and were allowed to skip classes and were given special notes and videos of the classes they missed. I had to work many hours at my exhausting work study job to make money. I would have liked a tutor to help make up for the time I also was too “busy” to study.

This is so far off base you must be a troll. I have three kids who were athletes at different Ivy schools. They practiced/played 20 hours per week and traveled on weekends on top of being science/math majors, with zero tutoring available to them (other than what was available to non-athletes). They also had to practice all summer in addition to their internships. They, and many of their teammates, definitely had high school academic profiles that were similar (often better) than the average student admitted to their schools. Some of their teammates also had work-study jobs on top of their already-packed schedules. So sorry -if you were too busy to study because you had 10-15 hours a week of class and a work-study job, you need better time management skills (which you would have learned growing up if you had played a club sport outside of your high school, like all the recruited athletes).

I don't disagree with you, but I find it hard to believe that many Ivy League athletes have academic profiles "better" than the average Ivy League admit. How do you quantify that?

I think it's more important to quantify "many" rather than "better" here. There are always a good amount of extremely smart kids (I had 3x 1600 SAT kids in my class alone playing lacrosse at an HYP, and the team average was probably about 1450 when I was there), but there are admittedly many more reasonably smart kids (think 1400 SAT and top 5% of their high school class vs. 1600/valedictorian/Westinghouse-Intel-Regeneron) playing sports at the Ivies. They're not dumb, certainly, but it's not fair to anyone to say that the majority would get in without help from the admissions office.

Anonymous wrote:What annoys me is the special treatment and perks the athletes get once in the school.

Athletes at my Ivy League school got free one-on-one tutoring and were allowed to skip classes and were given special notes and videos of the classes they missed. I had to work many hours at my exhausting work study job to make money. I would have liked a tutor to help make up for the time I also was too “busy” to study.

They get the same free tutoring that's offered to the entire student body, athletes and non-athletes alike.

The only time athletes are allowed to "skip classes" is generally for away games, and most Ivy administrations are pretty serious about limiting that sort of thing. What sort of "special notes" were they given? Do you imagine that Ivy League professors and TAs are bending over backwards to help their athlete students? I always found it was much the opposite, and experienced a good amount of outright hostility at times.

LOL *it, not tit.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

So what?

These athletes run the social scenes at their respective schools, especially at the Ivies. They tend to do extremely well after graduation. Do you think they're losing sleep because some nerd thinks they're "weaker students"?

Nice example, right here. See where tit gets perpetuated, OP? Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

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I need a smart person, not someone who has taken lesser classes to get them through the bottom most curriculum - never mind the coaches to keep them out of trouble and hold their hands thoughout.

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Anonymous wrote:This is our culture. I agree it makes no sense. Really what do sports have to do with pursuit of higher education? I don't think.any other countries play collegiate sports like we do. But you have to accept it as it is just the way it is here.

I do accept it but it’s crazy. His sat is about hundreds below the average accepted sat there.

I agree. Time to get rid of it

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

So what?

These athletes run the social scenes at their respective schools, especially at the Ivies. They tend to do extremely well after graduation. Do you think they're losing sleep because some nerd thinks they're "weaker students"?

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Sadly, the PP is right. I'm admittedly a nerdy person married with a former jock and he's much much more successful. People love this whole teamwork under pressure, work ethic, being able to juggle multiple tasks at the same time. Success is 99% ability to BS effectively and being at the right place at the right time. Jocks are usually very social and competitive so they have a clear advantage when it comes to management positions. My BFF from grad school played goalie on her hockey team in undergrad and she got a deluge of great job offers. I saw the same patterns for military in grad school; fighter pilots were the first to be recruited for trading positions at the top banks, nobody cared about SAT, GMAT, grades etc. My DC1 is in med school and personal charisma makes it or breaks it in the residency interviews.
Honestly, if you are a white, tall, narcissistic former athlete from an UMC family, your world is your oyster. You make the rules.

I think good looking helps a lot too, no?

I think you meant to add MALE, white, tall, former athlete... etc must be MALE. There will soon be no White FEMALE athletes beyond rec.

Why will there be no white female athletes beyond rec soon?

He's making a joke about how MTF transsexuals will soon take over competitive women's sports.

I don't think they'll have a huge impact on women's sports overall (due to their relatively small numbers), but they will likely start to dominate the very top end soon enough.

Anonymous wrote:DD just got an IB internship offer for summer '22 from a sport alumini booster at DD's university.  It is good to be an athlete.  

Yep, the benefits just keep on rolling. It may be unfair, but it is. So before you knock it, you should have your kid try it.

DD just got an IB internship offer for summer '22 from a sport alumini booster at DD's university.  It is good to be an athlete.  

Anonymous wrote:Why is so hard for people to be nice?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that colleges want to have athletics for whatever reasons and they get to choose?

Why is so hard to know the idea of mind+body is goes back thousands of years?

Why can't the people who do understand it not call the children of the people who don't "losers"?

It's very sad.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an absolutely unfair policy. It’s just one extracurricular but because of culture and money, it trips academics and all other extracurriculars.

It's absolutely fair and anyone who doesn't like it is free to apply to schools without sports

It’s fair as in, not cheating, but the process is not equitable and certainly not based on educational values.

Sorry your kid is an unathletic loser

My kids are athletes. They are finishing their fourth hour of practice today. Next insult?

Why is so hard for people to be nice?

Why is it so hard for people to understand that colleges want to have athletics for whatever reasons and they get to choose?

Why is so hard to know the idea of mind+body is goes back thousands of years?

Why can't the people who do understand it not call the children of the people who don't "losers"?

It's very sad.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an absolutely unfair policy. It’s just one extracurricular but because of culture and money, it trips academics and all other extracurriculars.

It's absolutely fair and anyone who doesn't like it is free to apply to schools without sports

It’s fair as in, not cheating, but the process is not equitable and certainly not based on educational values.

Sorry your kid is an unathletic loser

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Anonymous wrote:This is an absolutely unfair policy. It’s just one extracurricular but because of culture and money, it trips academics and all other extracurriculars.

It's absolutely fair and anyone who doesn't like it is free to apply to schools without sports

It’s fair as in, not cheating, but the process is not equitable and certainly not based on educational values.

Anonymous wrote:This is an absolutely unfair policy. It’s just one extracurricular but because of culture and money, it trips academics and all other extracurriculars.

It's absolutely fair and anyone who doesn't like it is free to apply to schools without sports