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Anonymous wrote:None of the current covid vaccines block viral transmission. Soon or later, you will become positive if you don't wear a mask and keep social distance.
A vaccine passport gives residents a false sense of security and encourage reckless behavior.

Just like seatbelts don't block injury in a car crash.

Seatbelts give motorists a false sense of security and encourage reckless driving - right?

Seatbelts are not a great analogy. Your car won’t refuse to turn on if you’re not wearing a seatbelt. And you’re not banned from the roads for failing to wear one. Every once in a while, you might get fined for not wearing a seatbelt, but it’s not really that common.

We’re really entering uncharted territory in this country if we go down the path of requiring people share medical details in order to be able to engage in basic, day to day activities. And it’s weird that liberals are the ones who are championing this level of intrusiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the current covid vaccines block viral transmission. Soon or later, you will become positive if you don't wear a mask and keep social distance.
A vaccine passport gives residents a false sense of security and encourage reckless behavior.

The mRNA vaccines drastically limit transmission. Don’t spread alarmist misinformation.

Where did you get your information?
Here is a link to what JHU published recently: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals

“ THE NEW DATA SAYS THAT A FULLY VACCINATED PERSON WHO EXPERIENCES A BREAKTHROUGH INFECTION CAN SPREAD THE VIRUS JUST AS MUCH AS AN UNVACCINATED PERSON. IS THIS ONLY FOR SYMPTOMATIC INFECTIONS?

It’s expected that symptomatic breakthroughs are more contagious than asymptomatic breakthroughs.

When extrapolating, it is critical to understand that this study is derived primarily from one major site in which the activities and the settings that were leading to infections are not necessarily representative of the day-to-day life of a fully vaccinated individual.”

Anonymous wrote:None of the current covid vaccines block viral transmission. Soon or later, you will become positive if you don't wear a mask and keep social distance.
A vaccine passport gives residents a false sense of security and encourage reckless behavior.

Just like seatbelts don't block injury in a car crash.

Seatbelts give motorists a false sense of security and encourage reckless driving - right?

Anonymous wrote:I’d prefer nation wide

+1

It can be fully voluntary to participate, but anyone who wants to fly, go to a movie or concert, sporting event etc would need tor register with it.

Anonymous wrote:I spent the summer in France and their system works very well. You can also get a free rapid test and get the pass for 72 hours.

Just saying.

You spent the summer there but apparently missed the protests?

I don’t care about this one way or the other. I am always just amused at how people characterize Europe. The measures in France are highly controversial and strongly opposed by residents and businesses.

I spent the summer in France and their system works very well. You can also get a free rapid test and get the pass for 72 hours.

Just saying.

Anonymous wrote:None of the current covid vaccines block viral transmission. Soon or later, you will become positive if you don't wear a mask and keep social distance.
A vaccine passport gives residents a false sense of security and encourage reckless behavior.

The mRNA vaccines drastically limit transmission. Don’t spread alarmist misinformation.

I'm ambivalent about a vaccine passport, but I do have my vaccine records loaded in my apple iphone Wallet app. It's really convenient in case someone asks for it. And I don't have to take the real one around with me. I uploaded through vaxyes by gogetdoc. It has one of those qr codes that links to the vaccine record.

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Anonymous wrote:Coercion is worse than simply coming out with a mandate. If you're going to go there, own it.

I don't understand this point of view. This isn't coercion. With a vaccine passport policy, people still have a choice of whether or not to get vaccinated.

You should look up what coercion means.

Its too easy to hide behind a claim that it's voluntary when it's not really voluntary if it is designed to be coercive.

Coercion: the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

How are people being forced to take the vaccine? How are people being threatened to take the vaccine? I think vaccines ought to be mandated but if conservatives are going to bleat about freedoms in protest, then a passport is a great compromise. People will still have the freedom not to get vaccinated if it's important to them.

And I will have the freedom not to do business with the unvaccinated. My stores have signs that you must be vaccinated to enter. No exceptions. I can do business with whom I wish. Being unvaccinated (ie, being stupid) is not a protected class. I have the legal right to discriminate against the unvaccinated.

None of the current covid vaccines block viral transmission. Soon or later, you will become positive if you don't wear a mask and keep social distance.
A vaccine passport gives residents a false sense of security and encourage reckless behavior.

If we say passports are mandatory for MOCO residents, what about the people who only work in the County? Are we going to force them to live by our counties rules, even if they don’t have a say (vote) in who makes the rules? Would they lose their job? Businesses can only hire vaccinated people with a passport? What about the large/multi-national companies? Can’t figure this part if the equation out.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm masked and vaxxed but for some reason the vaccine passport does not sit well with me. I can't put my finger on it so I can't give you a rational reason. I won't fight it or complain but I will give it the side eye.

Let me help you. Either you totally have the shot and can participate or you don't and totally can not fully participate in society.

Tot-al .... total .... totalitarianism?

Also - do you not need an ID to get the vaccine? Don't you have to have proof of age, ergo a requirement to produce identification. Would that not, therefore then be discriminatory toward the same folks who are leaned on for political leverage when it comes to voting "rights"?

Next you'll be mentioning yellow stars and gulags.

Showing your papers to enter businesses or showing your papers to the authorities has an eerie similarity to the yellow stars, doesn’t it? And they already have started building gulags in Australia calling them “quarantine facilities”. People suggesting this health pass stuff will go away - buckle up. I just hope there are enough people with sense in this state (there isn’t) to resist this tyranny like they are doing in France. I hope if restaurants comply with the health pass requirement people organize picknick protests out front of restaurants like they are doing in France

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Yes, the wonderous attractions of Montgomery County.

Honestly, to that's actually one more reason it won't be done. There's not going to be a national, regional, state or intercounty passport. The next-to-zero benefit, the challenges on messaging and policy on how to handle people from other areas, and difficult situation it places businesses in by making them that enforcers means there's going to be a lot people quietly telling Elrich and the council not to pursue this.

Wait and see. Elrich will go quiet on it. And if/when asked, he'll blame it on Hogan.

It's so crowded, no one goes there anymore.

Yes, the 1 million people that live here.

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Yes, the wonderous attractions of Montgomery County.

Honestly, to that's actually one more reason it won't be done. There's not going to be a national, regional, state or intercounty passport. The next-to-zero benefit, the challenges on messaging and policy on how to handle people from other areas, and difficult situation it places businesses in by making them that enforcers means there's going to be a lot people quietly telling Elrich and the council not to pursue this.

Wait and see. Elrich will go quiet on it. And if/when asked, he'll blame it on Hogan.

It's so crowded, no one goes there anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Elrich states (out one side of his mouth) that people aren't going to restaurants because they don't know the vaccine status of everyone there and then, (from the other side of his mouth), boasts about our high vaccination rates. Go to the restaurants and eat, people! What are the odds you'd be sitting near an unvaxxed person? With delta, I thought they were all sick and/or intubated?

The vaccine passport thing will quietly go away, since it would be rather expensive to implement something with no actual benefit. 95% of eligible residents have gotten a shot. So, given the lower efficacy of the vaccine against Delta infection, you're still at a bigger risk as a whole from the set of vaccinated residents compared to the unvaccinated residents.

86.7% of residents aged 12+ are fully vaccinated, but what's 8.3% of the population among friends?

95.6% of residents aged 12+ have received one shot, which leaves 46,244 residents aged 12+ who haven't received any shots and are FIVE TIMES as likely to become infected, compared to fully-vaccinated people.

And? That all sounds very good. We've got an incredibly high vaccination rate that a passport would be unlikely to significantly increase. And because there are so many more vaccinated people and unvaccinated, you're more likely to catch COVID from a vaccinated 12+ individual than an unvaccinated 12+ individual. So, the passport wouldn't meaningfully increase public health.

There are no passport checks and visa requirements at the borders of Montgomery County.

Yes, the wonderous attractions of Montgomery County.

Honestly, to that's actually one more reason it won't be done. There's not going to be a national, regional, state or intercounty passport. The next-to-zero benefit, the challenges on messaging and policy on how to handle people from other areas, and difficult situation it places businesses in by making them that enforcers means there's going to be a lot people quietly telling Elrich and the council not to pursue this.

Wait and see. Elrich will go quiet on it. And if/when asked, he'll blame it on Hogan.