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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

I agree with this. More women in the military means more women advanced to leadership roles. Women in leadership roles can push for and make the changes necessary to improve the military.

Like some of the others that have responded to this thread, I am a female veteran.

Being a female veteran doesn't give you more of an opinion than anyone else. Great, you served. Thank you and duly noted. But, sorry, no, i do not think young women need to suck it up in the lower levels of military service -with adherence to rules, orders, and very little opportunity to say no- just to advance women's rights in the military branches. That's someone one CHOOSES, not something one is ordered to do.

The military has not shown that it consistently takes harassment and assault allegations seriously. Until it does - and if you choose to be the one to press that, you have my utmost respect- women should not be FORCED to be subject to it.

I am the poster you are responding to and no I don't think my opinion is worth more than other opinions. I stand by my previous statement (which was in agreeance with a previous poster)--more women in leadership roles within the military will improve things for all servicemembers.

My service (and the service of other women in the armed forces) is important because we have a perspective that those who have chosen not to serve do not have. Does that mean that our opinion is 'worth' more than yours? No, but I am willing to bet that myself and other female veterans are more informed about the inner workings of the military and what it might take to improve things than those who have never served. In this case, I agree with the previous poster...the way to fix things is to have more women at the table and in decision making positions.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

This makes no sense at all.

Disagree. It makes total sense. You can't change something without being there.

Of course you can. You make a systemic policy change that that sort of thing will not be tolerated and will be punished severely and you follow through with it so the military can be a safe environment BEFORE larger numbers of women enter.

Your position is basically "we need to let generations of women suffer until things gradually change because there's no other way to do it" which is completely insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

This makes no sense at all.

Disagree. It makes total sense. You can't change something without being there.

Of course you can. You make a systemic policy change that that sort of thing will not be tolerated and will be punished severely and you follow through with it so the military can be a safe environment BEFORE larger numbers of women enter.

Your position is basically "we need to let generations of women suffer until things gradually change because there's no other way to do it" which is completely insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

This makes no sense at all.

Disagree. It makes total sense. You can't change something without being there.

Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely right for us to have a draft in case we need it. But it should be amended not to exempt kids for being in school.

And yes women have to be included.

The only case in which we'd actually need it is if an enemy had breached the borders of our nation, in which case we'd have more volunteers than we knew what to do with.

And before you start screaming "but but but World War II!" the point of the draft in WWII was not because we didn't have enough volunteers, it was because we had so many volunteers we needed a system to limit entry to the time and branch the military needed. With modern logistics that is no longer necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

I agree with this. More women in the military means more women advanced to leadership roles. Women in leadership roles can push for and make the changes necessary to improve the military.

Like some of the others that have responded to this thread, I am a female veteran.

Being a female veteran doesn't give you more of an opinion than anyone else. Great, you served. Thank you and duly noted. But, sorry, no, i do not think young women need to suck it up in the lower levels of military service -with adherence to rules, orders, and very little opportunity to say no- just to advance women's rights in the military branches. That's someone one CHOOSES, not something one is ordered to do.

The military has not shown that it consistently takes harassment and assault allegations seriously. Until it does - and if you choose to be the one to press that, you have my utmost respect- women should not be FORCED to be subject to it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

You’re making an assumption there. It’s not about just not liking the idea. There are other reasons that our daughters are, simply put, not on the same footing as the men. Gender prejudice, harassment, assault, to name a few.

I have lots of service members in my family. So don’t tell me these are not problems.

The solution to these problems is not to run away and hide. The solution is to be there, always. If you keep it a man's world, it will always be a man's world.

This makes no sense at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

Thank you for your service! I agree with this even though I personally would not want to have been in it. I think it's only fair if we want equal rights. Israel does it.

Mom of 2 daughters and 1 son

I’m all for it when I get equal pay.
I’m all for it when the military can prove that my daughter won’t be assaulted and harassed while serving.
TIA

This is an absurd and self serving position. Do all men get "equal pay"? What does that even mean to you? The second point is also ridiculous. You did your daughter's current profession or school give you proof that she wouldn't be harassed or assaulted before she began? I bet not.

Look you want a societal good? Then society needs to put up or shut up.
There is nothing absurd about “women’s work” being intrinsically undervalued. I work in the arts and live it every day.
Thr military’s record of treatment of women is horrendous. They can clean their house, if they want to welcome women in.
Also, you equated forced service to a choice of employment and education.
Women get to choose a campus they feel safe on. They can leave a job if harassed.
Your comparison is ridiculous.

100 Percent Correct. Well said, PP.

A) there should be no selective service or draft
B) if there is a draft again, women should be included

Anonymous wrote:Congressmen and women should be required to be on the “front lines” before any civilians.

??

If Israeli women can do it, so can American women. It doesn't take male strength to pull a trigger.

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Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely right for us to have a draft in case we need it. But it should be amended not to exempt kids for being in school.

And yes women have to be included.

Yes, women have to be included. You cannot demand that women have access to all jobs in the military without a draft of both genders. --military family with daughters

Many women haven’t demanded it. So… no.

Anonymous wrote:It is absolutely right for us to have a draft in case we need it. But it should be amended not to exempt kids for being in school.

And yes women have to be included.

Yes, women have to be included. You cannot demand that women have access to all jobs in the military without a draft of both genders. --military family with daughters

It is absolutely right for us to have a draft in case we need it. But it should be amended not to exempt kids for being in school.

And yes women have to be included.

Congressmen and women should be required to be on the “front lines” before any civilians.