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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

Not if broken down by subgroup. In fact, in 2017-18, LT had better ELA scores than Brent notwithstanding their very different racial makeups. Test scores are not the be all and end all by any stretch, but the idea that Brent and Maury have way better PARCC scores than LT or Watkins really ignores the link between race and test scores across the city. All four of these school clearly have a large cohort of high achieving kids and very good test scores for UMC white kids, if that's your thing.

Nice try but no.

Maury and Brent score well above L-T and Watkins. For example:

Here are the numbers for 4+ on ELA for 2018-2019:

Maury 76.9%
Brent: 73.6%
L-T 59.8%
Watkins 48.3%

Here are the numbers for 4+ on math for 2018-2019:

Maury: 75.4
Brent: 70.7%
L-T: 47%
Watkins: 44.2%

I don’t know what you don’t understand about subgroup. Meaning, if you break out scores by race. Also, the claim about 2017-2018 and LT v Brent for ELA specifically is true. You can find a thread on this forum with an in depth discussion if you search for it.

Looks like PP is right re: 2017-2018, here’s a thread that references it: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/746391.page.

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OP is long gone by now, questioning if she even wants to move to the Hill anymore lol

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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

Not if broken down by subgroup. In fact, in 2017-18, LT had better ELA scores than Brent notwithstanding their very different racial makeups. Test scores are not the be all and end all by any stretch, but the idea that Brent and Maury have way better PARCC scores than LT or Watkins really ignores the link between race and test scores across the city. All four of these school clearly have a large cohort of high achieving kids and very good test scores for UMC white kids, if that's your thing.

Nice try but no.

Maury and Brent score well above L-T and Watkins. For example:

Here are the numbers for 4+ on ELA for 2018-2019:

Maury 76.9%
Brent: 73.6%
L-T 59.8%
Watkins 48.3%

Here are the numbers for 4+ on math for 2018-2019:

Maury: 75.4
Brent: 70.7%
L-T: 47%
Watkins: 44.2%

I don’t know what you don’t understand about subgroup. Meaning, if you break out scores by race. Also, the claim about 2017-2018 and LT v Brent for ELA specifically is true. You can find a thread on this forum with an in depth discussion if you search for it.

Looks like PP is right re: 2017-2018, here’s a thread that references it: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/746391.page.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

Not if broken down by subgroup. In fact, in 2017-18, LT had better ELA scores than Brent notwithstanding their very different racial makeups. Test scores are not the be all and end all by any stretch, but the idea that Brent and Maury have way better PARCC scores than LT or Watkins really ignores the link between race and test scores across the city. All four of these school clearly have a large cohort of high achieving kids and very good test scores for UMC white kids, if that's your thing.

Nice try but no.

Maury and Brent score well above L-T and Watkins. For example:

Here are the numbers for 4+ on ELA for 2018-2019:

Maury 76.9%
Brent: 73.6%
L-T 59.8%
Watkins 48.3%

Here are the numbers for 4+ on math for 2018-2019:

Maury: 75.4
Brent: 70.7%
L-T: 47%
Watkins: 44.2%

I don’t know what you don’t understand about subgroup. Meaning, if you break out scores by race. Also, the claim about 2017-2018 and LT v Brent for ELA specifically is true. You can find a thread on this forum with an in depth discussion if you search for it.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

Not if broken down by subgroup. In fact, in 2017-18, LT had better ELA scores than Brent notwithstanding their very different racial makeups. Test scores are not the be all and end all by any stretch, but the idea that Brent and Maury have way better PARCC scores than LT or Watkins really ignores the link between race and test scores across the city. All four of these school clearly have a large cohort of high achieving kids and very good test scores for UMC white kids, if that's your thing.

Nice try but no.

Maury and Brent score well above L-T and Watkins. For example:

Here are the numbers for 4+ on ELA for 2018-2019:

Maury 76.9%
Brent: 73.6%
L-T 59.8%
Watkins 48.3%

Here are the numbers for 4+ on math for 2018-2019:

Maury: 75.4
Brent: 70.7%
L-T: 47%
Watkins: 44.2%

Anonymous wrote:Peabody/ Watkins has a new principal that started last year (rough year to start) but seems great. After 8 years with a principal that divided the school, I would give it a chance. Also, when looking at boundaries, DCPS does have a proximity preference. Since the boundaries are so crazy a lot of people are able to use this preference to get into another school.

From the website:

A lottery preference provided to students who live greater than a half-mile walking distance from their DCPS in-boundary elementary school and apply to attend a DCPS out-of-boundary school that is a half-mile or less walking distance from their home. This preference only applies to students enrolling in PK3 – grade 5. Proximity preference is not offered at DCPS citywide schools. The application will automatically apply this preference based on the guardian's home address provided on the application.

Anonymous wrote:Do Maury and Brent parents seriously not see a problem with their kids attending majority white schools in a city that is majority-minority? I always wonder this about SWS too. It’s not that I don’t understand that it’s no individual parent’s “fault” that this is the case, but… doesn’t it bother you? Of course we all want our kids to get a good education, but one question I’d ask myself is what we are teaching our kids when we tell them the best schools are the whitest schools. Do you not think they pick up in this stuff? Trust me: by MS they know exactly what the score is. That’s part of the education you are giving them too.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Maury and Brent parents seriously not see a problem with their kids attending majority white schools in a city that is majority-minority? I always wonder this about SWS too. It’s not that I don’t understand that it’s no individual parent’s “fault” that this is the case, but… doesn’t it bother you? Of course we all want our kids to get a good education, but one question I’d ask myself is what we are teaching our kids when we tell them the best schools are the whitest schools. Do you not think they pick up in this stuff? Trust me: by MS they know exactly what the score is. That’s part of the education you are giving them too.

Have you heard about schools in NW DC? Janney is 74% white!

Anonymous wrote:Do Maury and Brent parents seriously not see a problem with their kids attending majority white schools in a city that is majority-minority? I always wonder this about SWS too. It’s not that I don’t understand that it’s no individual parent’s “fault” that this is the case, but… doesn’t it bother you? Of course we all want our kids to get a good education, but one question I’d ask myself is what we are teaching our kids when we tell them the best schools are the whitest schools. Do you not think they pick up in this stuff? Trust me: by MS they know exactly what the score is. That’s part of the education you are giving them too.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

Not if broken down by subgroup. In fact, in 2017-18, LT had better ELA scores than Brent notwithstanding their very different racial makeups. Test scores are not the be all and end all by any stretch, but the idea that Brent and Maury have way better PARCC scores than LT or Watkins really ignores the link between race and test scores across the city. All four of these school clearly have a large cohort of high achieving kids and very good test scores for UMC white kids, if that's your thing.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in Peabody / Watkins and sending our son there for prek3. Watkins is the only truly racially diverse school amongst Brent, Maury and LT. Other posters aren't saying that but so much of the Maury, Brent and LT hype is because upper middle class white parents who can't afford private school are happy that their kids aren't going to school with black kids. Just keep that in mind when you think about what kind of school experience you want for your kids.

Sure, Jan.

I mean Peabody/Watkins has its own issues related to race but PP has a point. And while in other parts of the city people are more willing to just acknowledge that certain schools are more desirable because they are whiter and richer, on the Hill people will weirdly pretend it's not happening. But Brent and Maury are both predominantly white and that is unquestionably part of the appeal for a lot of families. L-T is interesting to me because while it's demographics don't reflect DC as a whole (it's about 40% white, 40% black, and then significant Asian and mixed race populations) it isn't white washed the way the others are. I am curious to see what happens in 10 years. If I had to place a bet, I'd assume it will eventually be heavily white the way Brent and Maury are. But I also wonder if there is something about that neighborhood that allows it to maintain greater racial diversity? Like maybe the proximity to H Street, which was an historically black business district and still has a lot of black businesses (though far fewer than it once did) might help the school retain a higher percentage of black students.

Still, it's gross that when people list the "good" schools on the Hill, they mostly just list the whitest schools.

The only person making racist assumptions is you (and PP, assuming that isn't also you).

Objectively, the best elementary schools on the Hill are Maury and Brent. For example, if you look at the latest PARCC scores available (2018-19), those two schools score way above L-T, Watkins, etc.

This is such an ignorant statement. Talking about race isn't racist, and these are just facts about the racial makeup of these schools.

To argue that Maury and Brent, the two whitest schools on the Hill (and among the whitest schools in the city -- Brent might have the highest percentage of white students in the city, even when compared to JKLM schools) are the "objectively the best" without addressing the racial component is irresponsible. We have to discuss why there is such a stark contrast in educational opportunities and results for black and white students in this city. Pretending that it's just an accident that the most desirable schools also happen to be the whitest schools doesn't do anyone any good. I know white parents at these schools don't like talking about this because it challenges their self-perception as liberal allies. But we have to talk about it even if it makes people uncomfortable.

Great. You are enlightened--here's your diploma. The messaging gets muddy when people--like pp--make a huge assumption that parents CHOOSE schools because "they don't want their child in school with black kids". That's where it gets beyond ridiculous.

Anonymous wrote:Do Maury and Brent parents seriously not see a problem with their kids attending majority white schools in a city that is majority-minority? I always wonder this about SWS too. It’s not that I don’t understand that it’s no individual parent’s “fault” that this is the case, but… doesn’t it bother you? Of course we all want our kids to get a good education, but one question I’d ask myself is what we are teaching our kids when we tell them the best schools are the whitest schools. Do you not think they pick up in this stuff? Trust me: by MS they know exactly what the score is. That’s part of the education you are giving them too.