Anonymous
08/23/2021 07:50
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:To be very clear - look. pretty. picture.
Citation: 5:36 mark of CDC presentation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vwzukqmA8
This is largely because the vaccine trials were conducted with masks and social distancing and the efficacy numbers were reported as “90/95% with masks and social distancing” and many people stopped masking and social distancing.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 07:34
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing is “happening again”. Fear based posts like this do nothing but contribute to the anxiety people may already be feeling. Just stop.
If "it's happening" means more lockdowns and control, I can agree with that, but I also know it has nothing to do with the real numbers out there.
If I wanted to control people, I could easily manipulate testing to reflect it to say what I want it to.
Actually you could not. That would take a level of government corruption and collusion among disinterested actors that defies logic.
And yet? Here we are. Seen Australia lately?
That comment has nothing to do with my comment. My comment said the PP could not easily manipulate testing to create some weird fake crisis. Are you saying that’s happening in Australia? If so you are clueless.
You honestly don’t think that the numbers are being manipulated? And yes, it’s pretty easy to manipulate testing - consider how easy it’s been to manipulate treatment using social media, licensing boards, pharmacies, etc.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 07:23
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of ways that anxiety distorts your thought patterns, with the effect of increasing anxiety and making it harder for you to make decisions, enjoy things you'd normally enjoy, and just generally function. Here are a few:
Catastrophizing is when someone assumes that the worst will happen. Often, it involves believing that you’re in a worse situation than you really are or exaggerating the difficulties you face.
Jumping to conclusions can involve both believing that you know what others are thinking (mind reading) and predicting the future (fortune-telling or predictive thinking).
Overgeneralization means believing that the results of one situation predict the results of all future situations. If your thoughts often involve the words "all," "never," "always," and "every" you might be overgeneralizing.
Mental filtering means only seeing the negative parts of situations, and filtering out positive or neutral information.
Black and white thinking means seeing everything in extremes; there is no room for the middle ground and you see everything as all or none. Whatever the issue, there are no shades of gray when you are thinking this way. People are right or wrong and situations are good or bad.
If you recognize your thinking in any of this, especially around Covid, I would highly recommend talking to a medical professional about anxiety. I would also recommend maybe getting a workbook on CBT for anxiety, which will help you recognize when your thinking is being distorted by your anxiety and learn how to make adjustments so that instead of feeding anxiety, you can evaluate situations and make productive choices. Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Behavioral-Workbook-Anxiety-Step/dp/1626250154
Jeff needs to make this a sticky.
Truly. Thank you to the PP who wrote this.
I’m OP. I’m glad that people who are finding it useful. However, no one who knows me would characterize my outlook in any of these ways. If anything, I’ve been told I am scarily calm in a crisis and sometimes too positive. Not bragging, but my oncologist told me last week that I’m his most optimistic patient. And I really am. I’m convinced I’m kicking cancer’s butt right now.
Someone accused me of stockpiling via Instacart. I wasn’t even ordering non-perishables. We put together our usual Sunday AM order of produce and fresh fish. Nothing was out when I made selections. I just couldn’t get a delivery slot presumably because it was so busy. We don’t live in NY or New England so it was not due to the hurricane. The first slot was today. The only other time that happened was during the surge. We have gotten at least one slot during other busy times.
I should be a bit embarrassed to admit it, but my kids are frequent flyers at urgent care on the weekends this summer. DS has that growth spurt clumsiness right now. We’ve had to use Urgent Care enough over the past 9 weeks that I see it as weird we couldn’t get any slot at any of the three centers in our area until 8:50 pm yesterday. I am speculating that people are grabbing appointments for testing.
My brother and I alternate care packages to the nursing home. Sometimes visitors are not allowed, but the only times in the past leaving packages were banned was during the last surge.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 07:10
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of ways that anxiety distorts your thought patterns, with the effect of increasing anxiety and making it harder for you to make decisions, enjoy things you'd normally enjoy, and just generally function. Here are a few:
Catastrophizing is when someone assumes that the worst will happen. Often, it involves believing that you’re in a worse situation than you really are or exaggerating the difficulties you face.
Jumping to conclusions can involve both believing that you know what others are thinking (mind reading) and predicting the future (fortune-telling or predictive thinking).
Overgeneralization means believing that the results of one situation predict the results of all future situations. If your thoughts often involve the words "all," "never," "always," and "every" you might be overgeneralizing.
Mental filtering means only seeing the negative parts of situations, and filtering out positive or neutral information.
Black and white thinking means seeing everything in extremes; there is no room for the middle ground and you see everything as all or none. Whatever the issue, there are no shades of gray when you are thinking this way. People are right or wrong and situations are good or bad.
If you recognize your thinking in any of this, especially around Covid, I would highly recommend talking to a medical professional about anxiety. I would also recommend maybe getting a workbook on CBT for anxiety, which will help you recognize when your thinking is being distorted by your anxiety and learn how to make adjustments so that instead of feeding anxiety, you can evaluate situations and make productive choices. Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Behavioral-Workbook-Anxiety-Step/dp/1626250154
Cool. Covid numbers are still going up at an alarming rate. Even if the person saying so doesn’t exhibit any of the foregoing signs of anxiety. That’s the thing about numbers - they aren’t susceptible to right wing crazies on the internet calling them chicken little.
When you resort to calling reasonable people who disagree with you “right wing crazies” the problem might be with you, not everyone else. This isn’t April 2020.
Whoaaa there cowboy…..it’s worse than April 2020. New variants, vaccine loosing its effectiveness, Covid fatigue, schools closing. I’m a huge fan of CBT. The reality is you have to PLAN for the worst and hope for the best. CBT is great….once you have all your ducks in a row. Meditation and mindfulness is where it’s at.
It's nowhere near as bad as April 2020. The majority of deaths occurred pre-vaccine. Even now, the vast majority of deaths are unvaccinated. An infection that you need a box of Kleenex for, or one that knocks you around for a couple of weeks, is not a big deal when you hugely mitigate that death factor. In addition, schools moved to a virtual-first mode in April 2020. Now, they lead with in-person and will temporarily close if/as necessary. Further, reports are starting to come out that Delta is peaking and/or near peaking. There isn't a big new variant on the tail of Delta right now. Plus, all of these current Delta infections will provide additional resistance (i.e., not "immunity" for those that want to jump this) going forward.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 07:05
Subject: 3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1) I had to wait 5 hours to get Instacart slot.
2) DS could not get an urgent care appointment before 8:50 today. We are just going to pediatrician tomorrow.
3) Nursing home would not accept hand-delivered care package for my relative.
I mean no idea if it's starting or not but did Target drive up on Friday and in recent months it had taken 2 min max. It took 5-7 min to even get into a drive up parking spot and another 5-10 min for them to bring the goods out. So clearly some % of people in the DMV that was going into stores in recent weeks/months is now going back to some amount of curb side.[/quote
Or, this weekend was move in for most colleges in the area.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 06:53
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing is “happening again”. Fear based posts like this do nothing but contribute to the anxiety people may already be feeling. Just stop.
If "it's happening" means more lockdowns and control, I can agree with that, but I also know it has nothing to do with the real numbers out there.
If I wanted to control people, I could easily manipulate testing to reflect it to say what I want it to.
Actually you could not. That would take a level of government corruption and collusion among disinterested actors that defies logic.
And yet? Here we are. Seen Australia lately?
That comment has nothing to do with my comment. My comment said the PP could not easily manipulate testing to create some weird fake crisis. Are you saying that’s happening in Australia? If so you are clueless.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 06:53
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of ways that anxiety distorts your thought patterns, with the effect of increasing anxiety and making it harder for you to make decisions, enjoy things you'd normally enjoy, and just generally function. Here are a few:
Catastrophizing is when someone assumes that the worst will happen. Often, it involves believing that you’re in a worse situation than you really are or exaggerating the difficulties you face.
Jumping to conclusions can involve both believing that you know what others are thinking (mind reading) and predicting the future (fortune-telling or predictive thinking).
Overgeneralization means believing that the results of one situation predict the results of all future situations. If your thoughts often involve the words "all," "never," "always," and "every" you might be overgeneralizing.
Mental filtering means only seeing the negative parts of situations, and filtering out positive or neutral information.
Black and white thinking means seeing everything in extremes; there is no room for the middle ground and you see everything as all or none. Whatever the issue, there are no shades of gray when you are thinking this way. People are right or wrong and situations are good or bad.
If you recognize your thinking in any of this, especially around Covid, I would highly recommend talking to a medical professional about anxiety. I would also recommend maybe getting a workbook on CBT for anxiety, which will help you recognize when your thinking is being distorted by your anxiety and learn how to make adjustments so that instead of feeding anxiety, you can evaluate situations and make productive choices. Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Behavioral-Workbook-Anxiety-Step/dp/1626250154
Jeff needs to make this a sticky.
Truly. Thank you to the PP who wrote this.
This is funny. I can see Jeff writing our internet addresses on a wall. (Funny….not funny).
Anonymous
08/23/2021 06:49
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of ways that anxiety distorts your thought patterns, with the effect of increasing anxiety and making it harder for you to make decisions, enjoy things you'd normally enjoy, and just generally function. Here are a few:
Catastrophizing is when someone assumes that the worst will happen. Often, it involves believing that you’re in a worse situation than you really are or exaggerating the difficulties you face.
Jumping to conclusions can involve both believing that you know what others are thinking (mind reading) and predicting the future (fortune-telling or predictive thinking).
Overgeneralization means believing that the results of one situation predict the results of all future situations. If your thoughts often involve the words "all," "never," "always," and "every" you might be overgeneralizing.
Mental filtering means only seeing the negative parts of situations, and filtering out positive or neutral information.
Black and white thinking means seeing everything in extremes; there is no room for the middle ground and you see everything as all or none. Whatever the issue, there are no shades of gray when you are thinking this way. People are right or wrong and situations are good or bad.
If you recognize your thinking in any of this, especially around Covid, I would highly recommend talking to a medical professional about anxiety. I would also recommend maybe getting a workbook on CBT for anxiety, which will help you recognize when your thinking is being distorted by your anxiety and learn how to make adjustments so that instead of feeding anxiety, you can evaluate situations and make productive choices. Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Behavioral-Workbook-Anxiety-Step/dp/1626250154
Cool. Covid numbers are still going up at an alarming rate. Even if the person saying so doesn’t exhibit any of the foregoing signs of anxiety. That’s the thing about numbers - they aren’t susceptible to right wing crazies on the internet calling them chicken little.
When you resort to calling reasonable people who disagree with you “right wing crazies” the problem might be with you, not everyone else. This isn’t April 2020.
Whoaaa there cowboy…..it’s worse than April 2020. New variants, vaccine loosing its effectiveness, Covid fatigue, schools closing. I’m a huge fan of CBT. The reality is you have to PLAN for the worst and hope for the best. CBT is great….once you have all your ducks in a row. Meditation and mindfulness is where it’s at.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 04:49
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To be very clear - look. pretty. picture.
Citation: 5:36 mark of CDC presentation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vwzukqmA8
You can also just read the CDC study that shows vaccines have lost 50% of their efficacy when going up against the Delta/Indian variant.
Effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Nursing Home Residents Before and During Widespread Circulation of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant — National Healthcare Safety Network, March 1–August 1, 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm
Check your math. Further, the vaccines still seem to prevent serious or severe illness.
Agreed. Just more evidence that kids need to be in school and not have their education supervised by math-challenged parents.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 04:38
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To be very clear - look. pretty. picture.
Citation: 5:36 mark of CDC presentation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vwzukqmA8
You can also just read the CDC study that shows vaccines have lost 50% of their efficacy when going up against the Delta/Indian variant.
Effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Nursing Home Residents Before and During Widespread Circulation of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant — National Healthcare Safety Network, March 1–August 1, 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm
Check your math. Further, the vaccines still seem to prevent serious or severe illness.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 04:19
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
More people using curbside and stocking up on extra peanut butter doesn't mean anything is happening again as long as it's not the government being the one overreacting.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 01:25
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are a number of ways that anxiety distorts your thought patterns, with the effect of increasing anxiety and making it harder for you to make decisions, enjoy things you'd normally enjoy, and just generally function. Here are a few:
Catastrophizing is when someone assumes that the worst will happen. Often, it involves believing that you’re in a worse situation than you really are or exaggerating the difficulties you face.
Jumping to conclusions can involve both believing that you know what others are thinking (mind reading) and predicting the future (fortune-telling or predictive thinking).
Overgeneralization means believing that the results of one situation predict the results of all future situations. If your thoughts often involve the words "all," "never," "always," and "every" you might be overgeneralizing.
Mental filtering means only seeing the negative parts of situations, and filtering out positive or neutral information.
Black and white thinking means seeing everything in extremes; there is no room for the middle ground and you see everything as all or none. Whatever the issue, there are no shades of gray when you are thinking this way. People are right or wrong and situations are good or bad.
If you recognize your thinking in any of this, especially around Covid, I would highly recommend talking to a medical professional about anxiety. I would also recommend maybe getting a workbook on CBT for anxiety, which will help you recognize when your thinking is being distorted by your anxiety and learn how to make adjustments so that instead of feeding anxiety, you can evaluate situations and make productive choices. Here is one: https://www.amazon.com/Cognitive-Behavioral-Workbook-Anxiety-Step/dp/1626250154
Jeff needs to make this a sticky.
Truly. Thank you to the PP who wrote this.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 01:10
Subject: 3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Yep seeing slightly more curb side. Me personally - I find myself unconsciously stocking up just a bit in those curbside orders. I don't expect ANYTHING like March 2020, but in anticipation of being home more again in the fall as things (likely) spread here as schools re open, I find that in every order whether I need it or not, there's an extra box or 2 of pasta; or throwing in a box of disposable masks or can of Lysol or Clorox wipes or 2 more bottles of soap, whether I strictly need those things or not.
Same. And when I do go to the grocery store I find myself buying more again so that I can stretch out the trips and not have to go again for say 10 days or 2 wks. 1-2 months ago I was back to going every 7 or so days. I'm not stocking up for shortages, I'm stocking up bc I expect to be home more in the fall/winter in this area. That being said DH and I (kids are grown and gone) DO find ourselves going out a bit more now right now -- not indoor settings, but more of a hey let's pick up curbside at this restaurant or take that little driving day trip. Some of it is usual end of summer stuff but subconsciously I think some of it is also, if case rates go up a lot we're not going to want to go do these things/go out unnecessarily as much, let's do a bit more of that right now before we feel we should hunker down. YMMW - we are age 55+, I think our thinking would be different if we were say 30 or 40 - I don't think hunkering down would be as much of a thought.
Anonymous
08/23/2021 00:59
Subject: Re:3 signs that it is beginning again
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing is “happening again”. Fear based posts like this do nothing but contribute to the anxiety people may already be feeling. Just stop.
If "it's happening" means more lockdowns and control, I can agree with that, but I also know it has nothing to do with the real numbers out there.
If I wanted to control people, I could easily manipulate testing to reflect it to say what I want it to.
Actually you could not. That would take a level of government corruption and collusion among disinterested actors that defies logic.
And yet? Here we are. Seen Australia lately?
Anonymous
08/23/2021 00:45
Subject: 3 signs that it is beginning again
Yep seeing slightly more curb side. Me personally - I find myself unconsciously stocking up just a bit in those curbside orders. I don't expect ANYTHING like March 2020, but in anticipation of being home more again in the fall as things (likely) spread here as schools re open, I find that in every order whether I need it or not, there's an extra box or 2 of pasta; or throwing in a box of disposable masks or can of Lysol or Clorox wipes or 2 more bottles of soap, whether I strictly need those things or not.