Anonymous
08/18/2021 08:03
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
It is often presumed by race, which is completely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Out of Boundary covers a lot of ground: it might be someone on the other side of McLean Gardens, zoned for Eaton, or it might be someone from SE DC who makes a long daily commute in search of what they see as a better education for their child. It’s rude and presumptuous and unfortunately not uncommon for parents to assume that if someone is Black or Latino they “must” be” out of boundary but never make the same assumptions about middle-class where kids. A lot of people showed their asses during the pandemic, that is for sure!
This is reckless speculation. The kids all know where each other live. Maybe not the kids in PK or K, but the kids all talk and they know who lives nearby and who has to drive or take the bus to school. Then they talk to their parents and the parents hear about it. No parent I know is making OOB or IB assumptions based on race. That is ridiculous.
It is definitely presumed by race by some parents. My kids were OOB for Hearst (we lived EOTP) and we’re white as can be. A few years ago, the anti-OOB sentiment really got started when the K classes had a lot of in-boundary kids who hadn’t attended for PK so the K class sizes were much larger than expected. I didn’t have a kid in K at the time, but I was involved in multiple conversations on the playground with parents who assumed I was IB and it was ok to complain about all of those OOB (non-white) kids making their classes overcrowded.
The PP is also 100% correct that a lot more people (or maybe just the same ones who were so upset about the large K classes) showed their true colors last year with the complaints about which kids were given in-person learning seats. I do think that Hearst has been a great community in some ways, but it was much more inclusive and welcoming back when it was majority-OOB, as others said much earlier in the thread.
Yes, that’s when my child started Hearst (K). Absurdly, we’re inbounds, but a mixed-race family. There were/are parents in that class who were so rude to me I was gobsmacked. The real problem parents like that have is with race, OOB is just code.
You have misplayed your race card, again. And it’s getting old. Its 2021 and most OOB kids are from white HHI families living in $1M homes across the park that are desperate to flee their majority AA neighborhood schools. And deep down you know this. The IB families just want their kids to be able to actually physically attend their neighborhood school that is 4 blocks away. So if anyone has a problem with race, it ain’t the IB families. OOB is code for white families that refuse to invest in their AA majority neighborhood school or are too cheap to pay for private. Sorry.
DP but neighborhood families are guaranteed a spot in their neighborhood school. Historically, Hearst had so many OOB families bc a majority of those who lived in the neighborhood didn’t start sending their kids to the IB option until the school started to look pretty.
Anonymous
08/18/2021 07:45
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
It is often presumed by race, which is completely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Out of Boundary covers a lot of ground: it might be someone on the other side of McLean Gardens, zoned for Eaton, or it might be someone from SE DC who makes a long daily commute in search of what they see as a better education for their child. It’s rude and presumptuous and unfortunately not uncommon for parents to assume that if someone is Black or Latino they “must” be” out of boundary but never make the same assumptions about middle-class where kids. A lot of people showed their asses during the pandemic, that is for sure!
This is reckless speculation. The kids all know where each other live. Maybe not the kids in PK or K, but the kids all talk and they know who lives nearby and who has to drive or take the bus to school. Then they talk to their parents and the parents hear about it. No parent I know is making OOB or IB assumptions based on race. That is ridiculous.
It is definitely presumed by race by some parents. My kids were OOB for Hearst (we lived EOTP) and we’re white as can be. A few years ago, the anti-OOB sentiment really got started when the K classes had a lot of in-boundary kids who hadn’t attended for PK so the K class sizes were much larger than expected. I didn’t have a kid in K at the time, but I was involved in multiple conversations on the playground with parents who assumed I was IB and it was ok to complain about all of those OOB (non-white) kids making their classes overcrowded.
The PP is also 100% correct that a lot more people (or maybe just the same ones who were so upset about the large K classes) showed their true colors last year with the complaints about which kids were given in-person learning seats. I do think that Hearst has been a great community in some ways, but it was much more inclusive and welcoming back when it was majority-OOB, as others said much earlier in the thread.
Yes, that’s when my child started Hearst (K). Absurdly, we’re inbounds, but a mixed-race family. There were/are parents in that class who were so rude to me I was gobsmacked. The real problem parents like that have is with race, OOB is just code.
You have misplayed your race card, again. And it’s getting old. Its 2021 and most OOB kids are from white HHI families living in $1M homes across the park that are desperate to flee their majority AA neighborhood schools. And deep down you know this. The IB families just want their kids to be able to actually physically attend their neighborhood school that is 4 blocks away. So if anyone has a problem with race, it ain’t the IB families. OOB is code for white families that refuse to invest in their AA majority neighborhood school or are too cheap to pay for private. Sorry.
Anonymous
08/18/2021 00:10
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
It is often presumed by race, which is completely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Out of Boundary covers a lot of ground: it might be someone on the other side of McLean Gardens, zoned for Eaton, or it might be someone from SE DC who makes a long daily commute in search of what they see as a better education for their child. It’s rude and presumptuous and unfortunately not uncommon for parents to assume that if someone is Black or Latino they “must” be” out of boundary but never make the same assumptions about middle-class where kids. A lot of people showed their asses during the pandemic, that is for sure!
This is reckless speculation. The kids all know where each other live. Maybe not the kids in PK or K, but the kids all talk and they know who lives nearby and who has to drive or take the bus to school. Then they talk to their parents and the parents hear about it. No parent I know is making OOB or IB assumptions based on race. That is ridiculous.
It is definitely presumed by race by some parents. My kids were OOB for Hearst (we lived EOTP) and we’re white as can be. A few years ago, the anti-OOB sentiment really got started when the K classes had a lot of in-boundary kids who hadn’t attended for PK so the K class sizes were much larger than expected. I didn’t have a kid in K at the time, but I was involved in multiple conversations on the playground with parents who assumed I was IB and it was ok to complain about all of those OOB (non-white) kids making their classes overcrowded.
The PP is also 100% correct that a lot more people (or maybe just the same ones who were so upset about the large K classes) showed their true colors last year with the complaints about which kids were given in-person learning seats. I do think that Hearst has been a great community in some ways, but it was much more inclusive and welcoming back when it was majority-OOB, as others said much earlier in the thread.
Yes, that’s when my child started Hearst (K). Absurdly, we’re inbounds, but a mixed-race family. There were/are parents in that class who were so rude to me I was gobsmacked. The real problem parents like that have is with race, OOB is just code.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 23:58
Subject: Re:Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Can someone explain the trailers? Not following how everyone says the school is small but then needs trailers. Are the trailers temporary due to a renovation or?
Anonymous
08/17/2021 18:49
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Gosh, I'm so sorry some IB families at Hearst are such jerks about OOB families. We had a great experience as an OOB family at Hearst. Been gone a few years, but we definitely felt welcome and participated in the community and were active in the PTA. It sounds like at least some IB families now resent the OOB families.
There were a handful of vocal IB families that were not happy of how things went down last year. Thankfully, some of them have left the school. And truth be told, I was an IB parent years ago and there were a handful of OOB parents who weren't very inclusive towards IB families (who were the minority) and acted resentful that we had the nerve to want to attend our neighborhood school.
Overall Hearst is a very welcoming environment. There are always bad apples on both sides.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 17:54
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gosh, I'm so sorry some IB families at Hearst are such jerks about OOB families. We had a great experience as an OOB family at Hearst. Been gone a few years, but we definitely felt welcome and participated in the community and were active in the PTA. It sounds like at least some IB families now resent the OOB families.
Let me fix the last part for you: Some IB families resent not being able to attend their neighborhood school.
And allow me to fix it for you: You are guaranteed a spot at your neighborhood school.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 17:47
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Gosh, I'm so sorry some IB families at Hearst are such jerks about OOB families. We had a great experience as an OOB family at Hearst. Been gone a few years, but we definitely felt welcome and participated in the community and were active in the PTA. It sounds like at least some IB families now resent the OOB families.
Let me fix the last part for you: Some IB families resent not being able to attend their neighborhood school.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 15:17
Subject: Re:Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
We are OOBs at another NW school. The way it works there is that sibling OOB always get in for K but new OObs would not be accepted at Kindergarten. It is a trickle down effect when you let in OOBs in the later years (typically to round out classroom numbers - example you have attrition one year so instead of having 17 kids in a classroom you take three OOBs so that there are 20 in the classroom). If schools do not meet their enrollment targets the consequences are dire. I know this because I was also on an LSAT and the school's budget was penalized over a two-year period. We lost the science teacher because of this.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 13:34
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Gosh, I'm so sorry some IB families at Hearst are such jerks about OOB families. We had a great experience as an OOB family at Hearst. Been gone a few years, but we definitely felt welcome and participated in the community and were active in the PTA. It sounds like at least some IB families now resent the OOB families.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 08:28
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When trailers are added, how does that affect the use of common spaces like cafeteria? How many grades have three classes now?
+1
+1. The problem is that these trailers are ultimately detrimental because they ALWAYS have growth inducing effects. So let’s say you add a few trailers to relieve crowding in the building but don’t have enough IB to kids to fill them, but you need to pay for the teacher salary so you have to add OOB kids. This increases crowding in the gym, library, cafeteria, further incapacitates Deal/Wilson, etc. And when in a few months the COVID capacity restrictions return you have even more IB families shut out of in person learning. That leads to the toxic environment that currently exists. DCPS knows all this of course, but as long as the OOB pipeline continues to flow they are satisfied.
Anonymous
08/17/2021 00:03
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:When trailers are added, how does that affect the use of common spaces like cafeteria? How many grades have three classes now?
+1
Anonymous
08/16/2021 21:11
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
When trailers are added, how does that affect the use of common spaces like cafeteria? How many grades have three classes now?
Anonymous
08/16/2021 20:40
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
It is often presumed by race, which is completely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Out of Boundary covers a lot of ground: it might be someone on the other side of McLean Gardens, zoned for Eaton, or it might be someone from SE DC who makes a long daily commute in search of what they see as a better education for their child. It’s rude and presumptuous and unfortunately not uncommon for parents to assume that if someone is Black or Latino they “must” be” out of boundary but never make the same assumptions about middle-class where kids. A lot of people showed their asses during the pandemic, that is for sure!
This is reckless speculation. The kids all know where each other live. Maybe not the kids in PK or K, but the kids all talk and they know who lives nearby and who has to drive or take the bus to school. Then they talk to their parents and the parents hear about it. No parent I know is making OOB or IB assumptions based on race. That is ridiculous.
It is definitely presumed by race by some parents. My kids were OOB for Hearst (we lived EOTP) and we’re white as can be. A few years ago, the anti-OOB sentiment really got started when the K classes had a lot of in-boundary kids who hadn’t attended for PK so the K class sizes were much larger than expected. I didn’t have a kid in K at the time, but I was involved in multiple conversations on the playground with parents who assumed I was IB and it was ok to complain about all of those OOB (non-white) kids making their classes overcrowded.
The PP is also 100% correct that a lot more people (or maybe just the same ones who were so upset about the large K classes) showed their true colors last year with the complaints about which kids were given in-person learning seats. I do think that Hearst has been a great community in some ways, but it was much more inclusive and welcoming back when it was majority-OOB, as others said much earlier in the thread.
Anonymous
08/16/2021 20:22
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
It is often presumed by race, which is completely ridiculous and totally unwarranted. Out of Boundary covers a lot of ground: it might be someone on the other side of McLean Gardens, zoned for Eaton, or it might be someone from SE DC who makes a long daily commute in search of what they see as a better education for their child. It’s rude and presumptuous and unfortunately not uncommon for parents to assume that if someone is Black or Latino they “must” be” out of boundary but never make the same assumptions about middle-class where kids. A lot of people showed their asses during the pandemic, that is for sure!
This is reckless speculation. The kids all know where each other live. Maybe not the kids in PK or K, but the kids all talk and they know who lives nearby and who has to drive or take the bus to school. Then they talk to their parents and the parents hear about it. No parent I know is making OOB or IB assumptions based on race. That is ridiculous.
Anonymous
08/16/2021 20:21
Subject: Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K
Anonymous wrote:Can any current IB parents answer this? How do you know if a student is IB or OOB? Is the information shared or presumed?Anonymous wrote:How do people know which students are IB or OOB? Is there a directory that lists everyone’s address? Are people speculating IB vs OOB based on race? I ask bc we have a low lottery number for Hearst. If offered a spot and we accept, will my 1st grader be ostracized because she lives EOTP? Do kids talk about where they live? Or are there that many parents with free time standing around at drop off speculating?
The information is not shared.
Of children that my kids socialize with, yes, I know where they live -- because we have been invited to their houses. There are tons of kids for whom I have no idea at all; and a few neighborhood kids who could be in or out -- I honestly don't track the street boundaries that closely. I just asked my kid, and he threw out the name of one kid where there's a reasonable drive to his house, and another kid who does in fact live OOB but my kid had a (wrong) guess about the neighborhood he lived in. Of the half dozen kids that were at his last (pre-pandemic) birthday party, at least two others live across the park -- it's not at ALL salient to my child which kids are IB and which are OOB, and he's known these kids for years.