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Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

He got a 90th percentile ACT! Omg. I guess half the class at Langley hs can’t succeed at Muhlenburg either.

Also, I didn't say "can't." I said "isn't ready." Big difference.

I don’t agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any LAC have business programs?

Yes.

OP, consider Ohio Wesleyan. We visited a few years ago and I was very impressed.

https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/economics-and-business-department/business-administration-major/

Allegheny (which I also liked when we visited) also has a business major:

https://allegheny.edu/business-major/

Somebody’s a CTCL fan lol. Don’t fall for the gimmick OP!

O.M.G go back to the other thread. For the love of Pete.

The OP is looking for business programs and somebody is on here pushing one CTCL school after another. CTCLs are not known for business. Actually they’re not known for anything - but especially business.

Sure I’ll stay off this thread so long as posters with an agenda don’t try and lead OP astray.

PP here who posted the LACs that have business majors. I suggested these schools because they do have business majors and because OP's DC may benefit from the small size and personal connections that a LAC offers. Given the GPA and the ACT score, a LAC may be the right choice.

OP here. I should have mentioned that DS has had trouble staying on task so the thinking is that a smaller LAC may be a better fit. The fear of the big state schools would be him falling through the cracks. Unfortunately, he still requires a bit of hand holding. Not ideal but that is wat we are dealing with. Trying to find someplace where he can thrive and gain some confidence, if that makes sense.

And this is exactly why I suggested trying another route before going the expensive private one and got laughed off the page. Nobody is going to throw merit money at OP’s kid. If the kid goes private, there’s a real chance OP is throwing money away. But, hey, it’s OP’s money - and OP’s kid is exactly the kind of applicant whose “full pay” a second tier private would love to take.

Actually, one or more of these schools may award merit money to OP's DC. Given his needs, it would make sense to look at them.

No decent school is going to offer significant merit money to somebody with a 3.3 and a 28. What they might offer is admission at full pay when they otherwise wouldn’t.

Depends on what you mean by “decent.” I know people that have gotten plenty of merit aid at schools I would consider “decent.”

*Maybe* Boston College (if applying ED)... Indiana is great too

Check out Poets & Quants for undergrads website:

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com

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Anonymous wrote:Babson may be an option if you are full pay.

Babson is a reach with a 28 with a GPA that low. Unless the GPA was earned in a very intensive high school program.

I'd look at also-ran state schools in MD if you refuse to consider community college (which to me makes no sense). Sure, you're full pay, but even full pay doesn't mean throw money away. Your student needs to prove herself first.

A 28 ACT is like 90th percentile!! I’ve know a bunch of kids to graduate college with a <25 ACT score. This is a bizarre post.

What's bizarre is your failure to consider the score in context. Yes, a 28 is a fine score, but at Babson College a 28 puts you in the 25th percentile among admitted students. The mean score is a 30. So you're talking about a kid applying to a school with below average grades and test scores. That makes it a reach by definition.

You are suggesting that OP’s kid will fail out of a 4 year school and will “throw money away.”

Not at all. I'm merely suggesting that when a kid has a pretty high ACT or SAT score and doesn't have the grades to back it up I'd think twice about starting out at a full pay private school. If it were the reverse I'd consider it though.

3.36 weighted GPA during a pandemic (unless the school was throwing out B's for D-level work--I know that wasn't the case at my kids FCPS hs as several kids she knows got C's and D's) and a 90th percentile ACT (which is more indicative of content area knowledge/skills) has a good chance of succeeding at a supportive college.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any LAC have business programs?

Yes.

OP, consider Ohio Wesleyan. We visited a few years ago and I was very impressed.

https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/economics-and-business-department/business-administration-major/

Allegheny (which I also liked when we visited) also has a business major:

https://allegheny.edu/business-major/

Somebody’s a CTCL fan lol. Don’t fall for the gimmick OP!

O.M.G go back to the other thread. For the love of Pete.

The OP is looking for business programs and somebody is on here pushing one CTCL school after another. CTCLs are not known for business. Actually they’re not known for anything - but especially business.

Sure I’ll stay off this thread so long as posters with an agenda don’t try and lead OP astray.

PP here who posted the LACs that have business majors. I suggested these schools because they do have business majors and because OP's DC may benefit from the small size and personal connections that a LAC offers. Given the GPA and the ACT score, a LAC may be the right choice.

OP here. I should have mentioned that DS has had trouble staying on task so the thinking is that a smaller LAC may be a better fit. The fear of the big state schools would be him falling through the cracks. Unfortunately, he still requires a bit of hand holding. Not ideal but that is wat we are dealing with. Trying to find someplace where he can thrive and gain some confidence, if that makes sense.

And this is exactly why I suggested trying another route before going the expensive private one and got laughed off the page. Nobody is going to throw merit money at OP’s kid. If the kid goes private, there’s a real chance OP is throwing money away. But, hey, it’s OP’s money - and OP’s kid is exactly the kind of applicant whose “full pay” a second tier private would love to take.

Actually, one or more of these schools may award merit money to OP's DC. Given his needs, it would make sense to look at them.

No decent school is going to offer significant merit money to somebody with a 3.3 and a 28. What they might offer is admission at full pay when they otherwise wouldn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any LAC have business programs?

Yes.

OP, consider Ohio Wesleyan. We visited a few years ago and I was very impressed.

https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/economics-and-business-department/business-administration-major/

Allegheny (which I also liked when we visited) also has a business major:

https://allegheny.edu/business-major/

Somebody’s a CTCL fan lol. Don’t fall for the gimmick OP!

O.M.G go back to the other thread. For the love of Pete.

The OP is looking for business programs and somebody is on here pushing one CTCL school after another. CTCLs are not known for business. Actually they’re not known for anything - but especially business.

Sure I’ll stay off this thread so long as posters with an agenda don’t try and lead OP astray.

PP here who posted the LACs that have business majors. I suggested these schools because they do have business majors and because OP's DC may benefit from the small size and personal connections that a LAC offers. Given the GPA and the ACT score, a LAC may be the right choice.

OP here. I should have mentioned that DS has had trouble staying on task so the thinking is that a smaller LAC may be a better fit. The fear of the big state schools would be him falling through the cracks. Unfortunately, he still requires a bit of hand holding. Not ideal but that is wat we are dealing with. Trying to find someplace where he can thrive and gain some confidence, if that makes sense.

And this is exactly why I suggested trying another route before going the expensive private one and got laughed off the page. Nobody is going to throw merit money at OP’s kid. If the kid goes private, there’s a real chance OP is throwing money away. But, hey, it’s OP’s money - and OP’s kid is exactly the kind of applicant whose “full pay” a second tier private would love to take.

Actually, one or more of these schools may award merit money to OP's DC. Given his needs, it would make sense to look at them.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

He got a 90th percentile ACT! Omg. I guess half the class at Langley hs can’t succeed at Muhlenburg either.

Also, I didn't say "can't." I said "isn't ready." Big difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

He got a 90th percentile ACT! Omg. I guess half the class at Langley hs can’t succeed at Muhlenburg either.

ACTs mean very little if not backed up by grades. You have a better chance of getting into UVA with 1300 on the SAT and a 4.0+ than a 1600 and a 3.5. There's a reason for that.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

He got a 90th percentile ACT! Omg. I guess half the class at Langley hs can’t succeed at Muhlenburg either.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

Anonymous wrote:Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.

I'm sorry but as she describes her kid the kid isn't ready to succeed at Muhlenberg even if admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any LAC have business programs?

Yes.

OP, consider Ohio Wesleyan. We visited a few years ago and I was very impressed.

https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/economics-and-business-department/business-administration-major/

Allegheny (which I also liked when we visited) also has a business major:

https://allegheny.edu/business-major/

Somebody’s a CTCL fan lol. Don’t fall for the gimmick OP!

O.M.G go back to the other thread. For the love of Pete.

The OP is looking for business programs and somebody is on here pushing one CTCL school after another. CTCLs are not known for business. Actually they’re not known for anything - but especially business.

Sure I’ll stay off this thread so long as posters with an agenda don’t try and lead OP astray.

PP here who posted the LACs that have business majors. I suggested these schools because they do have business majors and because OP's DC may benefit from the small size and personal connections that a LAC offers. Given the GPA and the ACT score, a LAC may be the right choice.

OP here. I should have mentioned that DS has had trouble staying on task so the thinking is that a smaller LAC may be a better fit. The fear of the big state schools would be him falling through the cracks. Unfortunately, he still requires a bit of hand holding. Not ideal but that is wat we are dealing with. Trying to find someplace where he can thrive and gain some confidence, if that makes sense.

And this is exactly why I suggested trying another route before going the expensive private one and got laughed off the page. Nobody is going to throw merit money at OP’s kid. If the kid goes private, there’s a real chance OP is throwing money away. But, hey, it’s OP’s money - and OP’s kid is exactly the kind of applicant whose “full pay” a second tier private would love to take.

So choose a solid 2nd tier LAC with excellent freshman retention rates and solid 4 year graduation. CC is a strong path not to ever go to college for a kid like this if you look at the stats. The lifetime of lost earning from that far outweighs the cost of college.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any LAC have business programs?

Yes.

OP, consider Ohio Wesleyan. We visited a few years ago and I was very impressed.

https://www.owu.edu/academics/departments-programs/economics-and-business-department/business-administration-major/

Allegheny (which I also liked when we visited) also has a business major:

https://allegheny.edu/business-major/

Somebody’s a CTCL fan lol. Don’t fall for the gimmick OP!

O.M.G go back to the other thread. For the love of Pete.

The OP is looking for business programs and somebody is on here pushing one CTCL school after another. CTCLs are not known for business. Actually they’re not known for anything - but especially business.

Sure I’ll stay off this thread so long as posters with an agenda don’t try and lead OP astray.

PP here who posted the LACs that have business majors. I suggested these schools because they do have business majors and because OP's DC may benefit from the small size and personal connections that a LAC offers. Given the GPA and the ACT score, a LAC may be the right choice.

OP here. I should have mentioned that DS has had trouble staying on task so the thinking is that a smaller LAC may be a better fit. The fear of the big state schools would be him falling through the cracks. Unfortunately, he still requires a bit of hand holding. Not ideal but that is wat we are dealing with. Trying to find someplace where he can thrive and gain some confidence, if that makes sense.

And this is exactly why I suggested trying another route before going the expensive private one and got laughed off the page. Nobody is going to throw merit money at OP’s kid. If the kid goes private, there’s a real chance OP is throwing money away. But, hey, it’s OP’s money - and OP’s kid is exactly the kind of applicant whose “full pay” a second tier private would love to take.

Thanks for your input and I agree. Unfortunately, for better or worse, community college just has a stigma attached to it. DS just shuts down when it is even suggested. Yes, I know we are responsible for this but we are trying to do what we can at this point.

At least you're sounding reasonable. One of my kids was in a more extreme position than yours is stats wise, also because of trouble "staying on task" as you say. SATs in the mid-1400s but a GPA well below a 3.0. We have money to spare but there was no way we were going to "reward" DC or run the risk of wasting real money by investing in a lower-tiered private school in the hope that they'd coddle the kid. Instead, we had DC take a year off do a gap year type thing (leaving home to volunteer). DC then applied to in state publics and got into a respectable larger one strictly on the basis of the SATs (larger state school admissions are generally numbers-driven) and went there. DC eventually graduated and enjoyed the time there -- and we were less annoyed by the extra tuition payments it required to get DC the degree because tuition was much lower than private schools.

DCUM parents with more money than time tend to think that money will buy their kids private school educations (both high school and college) that give them a leg up on success. For a lot of kids, though, that's not the ticket -- and it leads to stress and disappointment within the family. There's another way. Just my two cents.

It is crazy how competitive schools have got over the past 15 years since I was in college. My 3.0 GPA and 1200 SAT are not getting me into GW anymore.

Look into Muhlenberg in PA. Business is one of their most popular majors.