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Anonymous wrote:There’s not a problem to solve here.

The US does things its way and Europe does its thing it’s way. Once college b-ball and football go semi-pro and the money dries up for other college athletics, things here will change on the college soccer front, likely spelling the end of most women’s pro team sports (except WNBA) at any meaningful level as the money and interest are not there. This will drive the top young US soccer playing women to sign with Euro clubs. MLS will never subsidize women’s teams unless there is money to be made and as long as pro US soccer ranks below b-ball, football, baseball, and hockey in this country the money won’t be there. The USWNT will continue to compete and be top 5 in the world, year after year. I mean look how bad they are this time and they are still top 4.

I'd love to hear how you think you'll get fans to still root for the laundry while separating the payment structure sufficiently to avoid title IX

Same way a city roots for its team even thought its owned by a private owner. It’s all about the name and marketing. The players won’t even have to be students but they likely will be but be employees of the affiliated but not school owned or administers sports franchise.

Anonymous wrote:The USWNT is full of tired, old women. Time for a complete overhaul.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s not a problem to solve here.

The US does things its way and Europe does its thing it’s way. Once college b-ball and football go semi-pro and the money dries up for other college athletics, things here will change on the college soccer front, likely spelling the end of most women’s pro team sports (except WNBA) at any meaningful level as the money and interest are not there. This will drive the top young US soccer playing women to sign with Euro clubs. MLS will never subsidize women’s teams unless there is money to be made and as long as pro US soccer ranks below b-ball, football, baseball, and hockey in this country the money won’t be there. The USWNT will continue to compete and be top 5 in the world, year after year. I mean look how bad they are this time and they are still top 4.

I'd love to hear how you think you'll get fans to still root for the laundry while separating the payment structure sufficiently to avoid title IX

Anonymous wrote:The USWNT is full of tired, old women. Time for a complete overhaul.

Anonymous wrote:Let’s see what happens to the NWSL this year. I wonder what the TV numbers are for the USWNT team games vs past years. You are already battling 4 am game times. Now you have them losing. Will they do the post Olympics soccer tournament? What will happen with US Soccer and the new collective bargaining agreement?

All this will hurt the NWSL.

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It is about the trajectory of woman's soccer in America. DUH. That's what I'm speaking to. It's not just the AGE, we are going to be eclipsed more and more because America (boys and girls sides) does not have the training methodology and system that is overseas. They are 30 years behind America with their women's side and everyone is catching up quickly. That's my point.

Our youth soccer identification, national team selection process, coaching, etc. all pale in comparison.

YES! ID process needs completely revamped, national team selection needs updated. Why are the same kids picked over and over when there are more than 4000 kids in the age groups wanted. Each age group. Stop paying scouts for nothing.
And - really what's the point? To make 40K on a pro team??

Again…let them go to Europe. What’s the issue? Problem solved

FIFA rules prevent it below 17 years old without a European passport.

Most players can’t go until college years, how hard is this to understand?
There is no way the US will develop a similar soccer developmental system to what Europe enjoys. The money is not there and the interest to sustain a robust tier system is also not there. What is here are promising women soccer players who should be allowed to further develop their skills in Europe after hs and while on the uswnt. It is much preferable to stagnating in the nwsl.

Here's the problems facing women's soccer in this country.

Everything is funneled through club and college soccer. Europe is taking sport more seriously and funneling kids through academies.

The athletic gap may still exist but the technical gap is closed. If you watched Sweden or Netherlands against the US, the opponents played a much better brand of soccer and could get through lines. US was mostly reduced to long balls and using physical superiority.

Ideally, yes, women would go to Europe against better competition, but it won't be like the men because so much is tied into making the domestic league be successful. USSF props up this league as part of the current collective bargaining agreement that is now back again under scrutiny. There's less financial incentive for the top players to play in Europe because they get a subsidized salary and benefits playing in the NWSL.

It's not a surprise that all the women that played in Europe except one - Abby Dahlkamper - have returned to NWSL. Catarina Macario is another one who just moved to Europe. Playing in the states is more comfortable lifestyle and the pressure hasn't been to push the envelope on development while the team was winning internationally. Perhaps with the loss in the Olympics and a newer generation coming in, there will be more women that go play in Europe and the team will be better for it.

The problems with the US league is the non USWNT players are being paid $22k-$52k a year. Those player are the replacements for the USWNT. There is little change on the USWNT. How long would you play if you could not make a living wage? At some point you just quit. Basically the non USWNT player are the Washington Generals.

It is about the trajectory of woman's soccer in America. DUH. That's what I'm speaking to. It's not just the AGE, we are going to be eclipsed more and more because America (boys and girls sides) does not have the training methodology and system that is overseas. They are 30 years behind America with their women's side and everyone is catching up quickly. That's my point.

Our youth soccer identification, national team selection process, coaching, etc. all pale in comparison.

YES! ID process needs completely revamped, national team selection needs updated. Why are the same kids picked over and over when there are more than 4000 kids in the age groups wanted. Each age group. Stop paying scouts for nothing.
And - really what's the point? To make 40K on a pro team??

Again…let them go to Europe. What’s the issue? Problem solved

FIFA rules prevent it below 17 years old without a European passport.

Most players can’t go until college years, how hard is this to understand?
There is no way the US will develop a similar soccer developmental system to what Europe enjoys. The money is not there and the interest to sustain a robust tier system is also not there. What is here are promising women soccer players who should be allowed to further develop their skills in Europe after hs and while on the uswnt. It is much preferable to stagnating in the nwsl.

Here's the problems facing women's soccer in this country.

Everything is funneled through club and college soccer. Europe is taking sport more seriously and funneling kids through academies.

The athletic gap may still exist but the technical gap is closed. If you watched Sweden or Netherlands against the US, the opponents played a much better brand of soccer and could get through lines. US was mostly reduced to long balls and using physical superiority.

Ideally, yes, women would go to Europe against better competition, but it won't be like the men because so much is tied into making the domestic league be successful. USSF props up this league as part of the current collective bargaining agreement that is now back again under scrutiny. There's less financial incentive for the top players to play in Europe because they get a subsidized salary and benefits playing in the NWSL.

It's not a surprise that all the women that played in Europe except one - Abby Dahlkamper - have returned to NWSL. Catarina Macario is another one who just moved to Europe. Playing in the states is more comfortable lifestyle and the pressure hasn't been to push the envelope on development while the team was winning internationally. Perhaps with the loss in the Olympics and a newer generation coming in, there will be more women that go play in Europe and the team will be better for it.

Anonymous wrote:There’s not a problem to solve here.

The US does things its way and Europe does its thing it’s way. Once college b-ball and football go semi-pro and the money dries up for other college athletics, things here will change on the college soccer front, likely spelling the end of most women’s pro team sports (except WNBA) at any meaningful level as the money and interest are not there. This will drive the top young US soccer playing women to sign with Euro clubs. MLS will never subsidize women’s teams unless there is money to be made and as long as pro US soccer ranks below b-ball, football, baseball, and hockey in this country the money won’t be there. The USWNT will continue to compete and be top 5 in the world, year after year. I mean look how bad they are this time and they are still top 4.

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Anonymous wrote:Have all the players train and play in Europe. Better yet if they had dual US citizenship and grew up there.

That’s how the Men are starting to reverse course

This assumes of course that we can't right our own domestic league ship.

The women in Europe are subsidized by them men. The MLS has neither the means nor the desire to do so

MLS is at best a third tier league when compared to Europe. There is no way they could keep their own house in order and then subsidize NWSL.

The NBA subsidizes the WNBA and haven't been sued yet

Just a matter of time. As an organization you can not spend less on facilities and pay people less based on gender in the US. This is why US Soccer dropped DA.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.

PP has been stating this opinion in every. single. thread.

US Soccer is broken, only PP has known this and how to fix it, wishing a death spiral on USWNT, blah, blah...

So folks are still in denial.

Maybe. But your posts have become dull. Say something interesting or insightful.

This is intended to be a discussion. I’m aware you have to get past your own “we are amazing and will always be amazing”. Those posts have been so informative as well.

Except that no one says that. Only you, in every thread.