Anonymous wrote:Tea time= food in between meals.
Gaiter= food in between meals.
Snack=food in between meals.

There's no difference.

Big difference between eating three hours after one meal ends and another is to begin and eating five minutes before.

OP here. This is totally becoming popsicle gate.

To clarify, no I am not opposed to sweets. Yes I like popsicles. During quarantine we had a teatime some days to break up the monotony and we all liked baking new treats. But eating empty calories at meal time when you’ve just had a snack 1.5 hours ago seems not to make much sense to me.

I think these responses are a bit extreme. I’m going to cause an eating disorder by not wanting them to eat snacks at mealtime? Kids cannot transition to a line without a treat? Um, ok.

I have nothing against using a treat for fun and helping the kids look forward to camp. Have a popsicle day, water balloons day, bubbles day, whatever. Every single day right when your parents are waiting outside anyway just seems unnecessary.

As for America, it’s well-established that attitudes to food are somewhat unhealthy here. Every country has their own quirks and I accept that. In the bigger picture though I do not want my kids equating food with an emotional quick fix, convenience, have whatever you want when you want it. Food is about connection to the land and the people who work to make it. You respect yourself and your community by taking time to learn about it and prepare it well. Even this young kid knows how to water the garden, harvest vegetables, cut and eat it, compost to make the soil good. I don’t think it’s healthy to grow up thinking food comes from a plastic bag and you just buy and trash it as you please. But ok, I am giving my kids an eating disorder….

Anonymous wrote:DC’s camp gets out at 12. Every day when we go to pick up the kids are having a popsicle. I have nothing against them but isn’t it a bit weird to be giving them to the kids right before they are supposed to go home for lunch? They also have a snack time 1.5 hours before so it’s not like there is nothing to eat. DC seems all hopped up from the sugar and not into lunch so I’m just kind of annoyed that this is their routine.

They are not hopped up on sugar. That is a myth.

https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/does-sugar-really-make-kids-hyper

Tea time= food in between meals.
Gaiter= food in between meals.
Snack=food in between meals.

There's no difference.

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness folks. Yes if you don’t have a snack every day at 10:30 and 12, right before lunch, you’re going to get an eating disorder. And better if that lunch snack is full of sugar and red dye.

Le goûter is at 4 PM. It’s supposed to tide younger children with blood sugar issues over until dinner. You will not find le goûter served at 12 PM in France because that’s the only way to get kids to line up. There’s a high level of self discipline expected among even young kids there.

My husband and I are from two different countries, both of which have a joyful and open minded view of food. You still have mealtimes because it’s a social thing and eating outside of those is not done in the same way it is here, where sugary drinks and foods with a lot of additives take the place of actual whole foods.

Wow. Hilarious attempt to say French kids don't snack. Lol.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with an actual eating disorder, this forum makes me sad how messed up their food issues are. People dont get how it can seriously mess up their kids. I may have issues with food, but I work really hard to make sure my kid has a healthy relationship with it.

Gosh… really, there not going to have a healthy relationship with food because they had lunch at lunch time instead of sugar water?

Yes. Freaking out over a popsicle a day is not normal. It's a popsicle.

Was someone freaking out?

Yeah OP. Posting here is a freak out. Have fun with your eating disorder. Try not to eff your kids up too much.

Just because you have an eating disorder doesn’t mean everyone does. My family loves food, just not in an American way. The kids eat everything and help with growing and cooking food. This is not really a habit that seems all that healthy and would never happen abroad, tbh. And since you have an eating disorder you should know that it’s the Westernization of media etc that is responsible for the rise of eating disorders in other countries.

Whatever. "Abroad" is a big world, and I guarantee that kids around the world eat popsicles, or chocolate, or candy, or juice, more often than UMC DCUM posters think is acceptable.

Sure. I just got a popsicle recipe book from another country and the kids are excited about it. We don’t have them at lunch time though because that’s a time for eating lunch. I teach my kids, as most other cultures around the world do, that food is for health and pleasure and we eat a balanced diet of everything in moderation. Snacks are great but filling up on them instead of regular food is not great for your body, especially when you’re growing.

My French teacher told us about her childhood -- when kids got home from school, they ate a chocolate bar stuck in a baguette.

If you think everyone around the world has the same attitude towards food and eating that you do, you're not as cultured and superior as you think.

Omg. I read that book French Kids Eat Everything. The author had this premise that FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK and that's why they aren't picky. However, she also talked repeatedly about the daily "gouter" which is chocolate in warm bread. It's called Le Gouter. She gave it to her kids every day after school. But again, FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK.

So it seems some folks are absolutely delusional.

I agree that book is simpleminded. But I think she means there is a difference between snacking at a given time during the day (like tea time in England) and walking around with containers of goldfish and crackers, squeeze pouches instead of actually eating meals, etc. and then wondering why your kid is chronically constipated and won’t eat any regular food.

Seems to me that the popsicle that so perturbs OP falls squarely into the bolded category.

Except it’s snacking at a mealtime, which is exactly what teatime is not.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with an actual eating disorder, this forum makes me sad how messed up their food issues are. People dont get how it can seriously mess up their kids. I may have issues with food, but I work really hard to make sure my kid has a healthy relationship with it.

Gosh… really, there not going to have a healthy relationship with food because they had lunch at lunch time instead of sugar water?

Yes. Freaking out over a popsicle a day is not normal. It's a popsicle.

Was someone freaking out?

Yeah OP. Posting here is a freak out. Have fun with your eating disorder. Try not to eff your kids up too much.

Just because you have an eating disorder doesn’t mean everyone does. My family loves food, just not in an American way. The kids eat everything and help with growing and cooking food. This is not really a habit that seems all that healthy and would never happen abroad, tbh. And since you have an eating disorder you should know that it’s the Westernization of media etc that is responsible for the rise of eating disorders in other countries.

Whatever. "Abroad" is a big world, and I guarantee that kids around the world eat popsicles, or chocolate, or candy, or juice, more often than UMC DCUM posters think is acceptable.

Sure. I just got a popsicle recipe book from another country and the kids are excited about it. We don’t have them at lunch time though because that’s a time for eating lunch. I teach my kids, as most other cultures around the world do, that food is for health and pleasure and we eat a balanced diet of everything in moderation. Snacks are great but filling up on them instead of regular food is not great for your body, especially when you’re growing.

My French teacher told us about her childhood -- when kids got home from school, they ate a chocolate bar stuck in a baguette.

If you think everyone around the world has the same attitude towards food and eating that you do, you're not as cultured and superior as you think.

Omg. I read that book French Kids Eat Everything. The author had this premise that FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK and that's why they aren't picky. However, she also talked repeatedly about the daily "gouter" which is chocolate in warm bread. It's called Le Gouter. She gave it to her kids every day after school. But again, FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK.

So it seems some folks are absolutely delusional.

I agree that book is simpleminded. But I think she means there is a difference between snacking at a given time during the day (like tea time in England) and walking around with containers of goldfish and crackers, squeeze pouches instead of actually eating meals, etc. and then wondering why your kid is chronically constipated and won’t eat any regular food.

Seems to me that the popsicle that so perturbs OP falls squarely into the bolded category.

Except a popsicle is not a snack. It's water and sugar. It's candy. That's the issue. The kid has daily candy time at school - every day - and OP doesn't like the frequency. She's not against an occasional popsicle (or candy) but the continuous popsicle/candy feed. This is not a mini cucumber sandwich.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone with an actual eating disorder, this forum makes me sad how messed up their food issues are. People dont get how it can seriously mess up their kids. I may have issues with food, but I work really hard to make sure my kid has a healthy relationship with it.

Gosh… really, there not going to have a healthy relationship with food because they had lunch at lunch time instead of sugar water?

Yes. Freaking out over a popsicle a day is not normal. It's a popsicle.

Was someone freaking out?

Yeah OP. Posting here is a freak out. Have fun with your eating disorder. Try not to eff your kids up too much.

Just because you have an eating disorder doesn’t mean everyone does. My family loves food, just not in an American way. The kids eat everything and help with growing and cooking food. This is not really a habit that seems all that healthy and would never happen abroad, tbh. And since you have an eating disorder you should know that it’s the Westernization of media etc that is responsible for the rise of eating disorders in other countries.

Whatever. "Abroad" is a big world, and I guarantee that kids around the world eat popsicles, or chocolate, or candy, or juice, more often than UMC DCUM posters think is acceptable.

Sure. I just got a popsicle recipe book from another country and the kids are excited about it. We don’t have them at lunch time though because that’s a time for eating lunch. I teach my kids, as most other cultures around the world do, that food is for health and pleasure and we eat a balanced diet of everything in moderation. Snacks are great but filling up on them instead of regular food is not great for your body, especially when you’re growing.

My French teacher told us about her childhood -- when kids got home from school, they ate a chocolate bar stuck in a baguette.

If you think everyone around the world has the same attitude towards food and eating that you do, you're not as cultured and superior as you think.

Omg. I read that book French Kids Eat Everything. The author had this premise that FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK and that's why they aren't picky. However, she also talked repeatedly about the daily "gouter" which is chocolate in warm bread. It's called Le Gouter. She gave it to her kids every day after school. But again, FRENCH KIDS DO NOT SNACK.

So it seems some folks are absolutely delusional.

I agree that book is simpleminded. But I think she means there is a difference between snacking at a given time during the day (like tea time in England) and walking around with containers of goldfish and crackers, squeeze pouches instead of actually eating meals, etc. and then wondering why your kid is chronically constipated and won’t eat any regular food.

Seems to me that the popsicle that so perturbs OP falls squarely into the bolded category.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness folks. Yes if you don’t have a snack every day at 10:30 and 12, right before lunch, you’re going to get an eating disorder. And better if that lunch snack is full of sugar and red dye.

Le goûter is at 4 PM. It’s supposed to tide younger children with blood sugar issues over until dinner. You will not find le goûter served at 12 PM in France because that’s the only way to get kids to line up. There’s a high level of self discipline expected among even young kids there.

My husband and I are from two different countries, both of which have a joyful and open minded view of food. You still have mealtimes because it’s a social thing and eating outside of those is not done in the same way it is here, where sugary drinks and foods with a lot of additives take the place of actual whole foods.

So smug about Europe are we. How’s Europe doing actually vaccinating people. In America we have enough vaccine and popsicles for everyone.

And we have no universal health care or maternity leave. We have no reasonable childcare options or mental health services. Our obesity rate is upwards of 40%. Education rankings are laughable given our economic punch.

Sometimes other people can do things right. It's ok. You don't have to be all rah-rah-USA. And yes, in general, most people eat better than we do. That's just fact.

Many kids have issues with the food coloring in these things. My one child becomes hyper fixated on sweets and will barely eat lunch if she has something like this before a meal

Your kid won't eat because of a popsicle?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not OP but I want to teach my kid that "desserts" and sweets are for after lunch. It sets a precedent at home for when whiny kid wants sweets before lunch and then we as moms have to always say no and explain that sweets are for after we eat. "But at camp we did blah blah blah." I wouldn't want to deal with that.

Save your eating disorder for yourself sweetie.

What is wrong with you? Do you speak to people like that in real life? Why are people so rude here!?

There is nothing wrong with not wanting popsicles before lunch! And now you are accusing me of having an eating disorder. Good grief, sometimes this forum is BAD for mental health... and people like you being so rude.

Anonymous wrote:Oh my goodness folks. Yes if you don’t have a snack every day at 10:30 and 12, right before lunch, you’re going to get an eating disorder. And better if that lunch snack is full of sugar and red dye.

Le goûter is at 4 PM. It’s supposed to tide younger children with blood sugar issues over until dinner. You will not find le goûter served at 12 PM in France because that’s the only way to get kids to line up. There’s a high level of self discipline expected among even young kids there.

My husband and I are from two different countries, both of which have a joyful and open minded view of food. You still have mealtimes because it’s a social thing and eating outside of those is not done in the same way it is here, where sugary drinks and foods with a lot of additives take the place of actual whole foods.

So smug about Europe are we. How’s Europe doing actually vaccinating people. In America we have enough vaccine and popsicles for everyone.

Anonymous wrote:You need to relax OP. Don’t we all need a popsicle after this year?!

Great idea to have it after lunch. Every day for a month seems a bit like overkill to me… why don’t they just have them sing a song or something. Also it is never done at pick up time so I stand around there waiting for them to eat it.

You need to relax OP. Don’t we all need a popsicle after this year?!