Why do you think kids advanced in math don’t have a deep understanding and love for math? Could it be stereotypes?

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Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Not saying a kid who took extra math on the outside and likes math competitions isn't not worthy. But so is the kid in algebra I who enjoys stem but doesn’t take outside math or compete. Those two students are both advanced and worthy of a STEM magnet school.

Kid 2 is dead average in FCPS and will get eaten alive in TJ Math. And doesn’t need a magnet, because he’ll finish two year below the top offerings at any base high school. Whereas Kid 1 will actually take the advanced math classes at TJ.

This seems a bit simple-minded. It's not a race to get to calculus first. It's about developing a deep love and understanding of the underlying concepts.

Sing it!

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Not saying a kid who took extra math on the outside and likes math competitions isn't not worthy. But so is the kid in algebra I who enjoys stem but doesn’t take outside math or compete. Those two students are both advanced and worthy of a STEM magnet school.

If TJ had unlimited capacity, I would agree with you. Since it doesn't, admitting algebra I kids who enjoy stem will bump out kids who are more advanced in math and more active in stem. The main difference is that the algebra II kid who competes in math contests will not be able to find adequate coursework or high level competition teams at the base school.

Hmm. We agree then that the scarcity of resources is an issue. But I contend it should not cause an academic arms race where children (or rather maybe their parents) are rewarded for constantly raising the bar. Good for them and their hard work. But as far as admissions it keeps the majority of students unable to keep up. And that’s the goal for many, isn’t it? Make a prestigious program and create an admission scheme that keeps the majority of families unable to compete. This has been many years in the making.

If TJ were replicated and expanded so as every advanced stem student could take part many parents would lose their mind. The prestige would be gone. They want an exclusive program where they know they can give their child an advantage at getting in. These types have been moving to this area for years. And they have created a monster that I believe even deep down they think is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

My TJ kid was around a 145. He has always said TJ was the only place, K through college, where he felt dead average.

You are making my point. The difference between a 120 and 145 kid can be almost nothing. So much more matters too. 120 is just the bare minimum.

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Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Not saying a kid who took extra math on the outside and likes math competitions isn't not worthy. But so is the kid in algebra I who enjoys stem but doesn’t take outside math or compete. Those two students are both advanced and worthy of a STEM magnet school.

Kid 2 is dead average in FCPS and will get eaten alive in TJ Math. And doesn’t need a magnet, because he’ll finish two year below the top offerings at any base high school. Whereas Kid 1 will actually take the advanced math classes at TJ.

This seems a bit simple-minded. It's not a race to get to calculus first. It's about developing a deep love and understanding of the underlying concepts.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

You are too funny.

definitely unless they had IQ test prep

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

My TJ kid was around a 145. He has always said TJ was the only place, K through college, where he felt dead average.

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Nope. This just created parents like OP who thought they had figured out the recipe for getting into TJ. And they loved that it was harder to attain by most kids who went without the knowledge of the “secret” recipe and means to achieve it. This has nothing to do with talent.

What secret recipe? Being good at math?

If being advanced in math, getting straight As in the highest levels of classes offered by your school, and excelling in STEM competitions doesn't make a child TJ-worthy, then what does? Getting Bs? Taking regular classes? Failing to qualify for Algebra? Not even participating in STEM competitions or doing poorly? Have we entered bizarro world?

Not saying a kid who took extra math on the outside and likes math competitions isn't not worthy. But so is the kid in algebra I who enjoys stem but doesn’t take outside math or compete. Those two students are both advanced and worthy of a STEM magnet school.

Kid 2 is dead average in FCPS and will get eaten alive in TJ Math. And doesn’t need a magnet, because he’ll finish two year below the top offerings at any base high school. Whereas Kid 1 will actually take the advanced math classes at TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

SAT scores are highly correlated with IQ tests. SAT was originally developed as an IQ test and TJ supposedly has the highest average IQ scores in the country.

They no longer are. TJ kids are not Iq tested so this is an impossible argument.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

SAT scores are highly correlated with IQ tests. SAT was originally developed as an IQ test and TJ supposedly has the highest average IQ scores in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

And which high school is this in the Midwest?

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Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

1 in 1000 is not that rare. I am about 140 and was only slightly above average at my top 10 university. TJ students likely range 135 and above, with many in the 145+ range

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

You are delusional. This is a real IQ test given by an unbiased psychologist. Not a group ability test that is easily prepped. Not given by a psychologist mom and dad paid for. A 145 occurs 1 in 1000.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

120 will be the average IQ score of a place like Herndon HS. It will be around 145 for TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ shouldn’t exist. Test prep to get into a high schools is obscene.

We have dozens of test-in magnet schools all over the country. Should we get rid of all of them?

My child goes to a gifted magnet in the Midwest. The school district tests each kid themselves with a real IQ test and you need a 120 as well as good grades to get into the lottery. The school is racially diverse.

Isn't 120 considered the lower end of "bright"? Not even gifted

Your point? Many TJ students wouldn’t score in the gifted range.

You are too funny.