Anonymous wrote:Another reason to avoid MoCo

If you don't want to obey the speed limits when you drive, then yes, please do avoid Montgomery County.

Is the theory behind Woodglen and Executive Blvd that it connects the trolley trail to Whole Foods and the Aquatic Center? That makes some sense, although I think there's already a bike lane with the white plastic blockers there, isn't there?

I really wish they would just enforce the current laws. I often walk my dog on Old Georgetown at night, and there are regularly people drive at least 20 miles over the speed limit (maybe significantly more). I've seen a couple in those cars that make really loud engine revving noises (the kind where they modify the car to make it super loud) and wondered if they were drag racing because they were accelerating so quickly. There are often kids, families, etc. walking, jogging or biking along Old Georgetown Road, and it drives me nuts to see that.

Another reason to avoid MoCo

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What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

And what’s the penalty for exceeding the speed limit?

I don't get your point here. Is it that because there are generally small and infrequent penalties for exceeding a road's maximum speed limit that we should accept incomplete mastery of a car's most basic functions?

Huh? You have said a lot of things. I am just trying to understand what you are saying.

You say that "we should accept..." but your preference is no compatible with the existing laws and their enforcement as they currently are. We are a country of laws and have people who are responsible to enforce those laws. If you want to change those laws, then please organize people and lobby your elected officials. Thankfully our democracy is not beholden to your whims and yours alone.

I do not think you're actually trying to understand what I'm saying, and a dead giveaway was your condescending explanation of the democratic process. If your rebuttal to the normative statement "drivers who cannot maintain 20 miles per hour on a downward grade shouldn't be allowed to drive" is the positive statement "the penalty for exceeding the speed limit is not revocation of one's license," then you're neither as clever as you think you are nor are you approaching this conversation in good faith.

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Anonymous wrote:
What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

And what’s the penalty for exceeding the speed limit?

I don't get your point here. Is it that because there are generally small and infrequent penalties for exceeding a road's maximum speed limit that we should accept incomplete mastery of a car's most basic functions?

Huh? You have said a lot of things. I am just trying to understand what you are saying.

You say that "we should accept..." but your preference is no compatible with the existing laws and their enforcement as they currently are. We are a country of laws and have people who are responsible to enforce those laws. If you want to change those laws, then please organize people and lobby your elected officials. Thankfully our democracy is not beholden to your whims and yours alone.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

And what’s the penalty for exceeding the speed limit?

I don't get your point here. Is it that because there are generally small and infrequent penalties for exceeding a road's maximum speed limit that we should accept incomplete mastery of a car's most basic functions?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

And what’s the penalty for exceeding the speed limit?

Are you asking what happens when drivers violate the law? Not much, generally. As a society, our expectations of drivers are very, very low. Even people who are incapable of driving at or below the speed limit get to continue being licensed drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:
What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

And what’s the penalty for exceeding the speed limit?

Anonymous wrote:
What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

Section 21-801.1 - Maximum limits
(a) Unless there is a special danger that requires a lower speed to comply with § 21-801 of this subtitle, the limits specified in this section or otherwise established under this subtitle are maximum lawful speeds. A person may not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed that exceeds these limits.

There's a common belief that the posted speed limit is the target speed, but it's not, it's the maximum lawful speed.

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Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It is not "hard" to keep your eye on your speed and your foot near the brake when going down a hill.

And if it is, it might be time to start revoking some driver's licenses. Following the speed limit is really not difficult, people.

Is this a tough guy routine?

What makes you think that? Seriously, if you're unable to control your speed on a downhill grade, you shouldn't have a driver's license.

What does the code say? Are you the police, prosecutor?

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Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It is not "hard" to keep your eye on your speed and your foot near the brake when going down a hill.

And if it is, it might be time to start revoking some driver's licenses. Following the speed limit is really not difficult, people.

Is this a tough guy routine?

What makes you think that? Seriously, if you're unable to control your speed on a downhill grade, you shouldn't have a driver's license.

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Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It is not "hard" to keep your eye on your speed and your foot near the brake when going down a hill.

And if it is, it might be time to start revoking some driver's licenses. Following the speed limit is really not difficult, people.

Is this a tough guy routine?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It is not "hard" to keep your eye on your speed and your foot near the brake when going down a hill.

And if it is, it might be time to start revoking some driver's licenses. Following the speed limit is really not difficult, people.

Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It is not "hard" to keep your eye on your speed and your foot near the brake when going down a hill.

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Anonymous wrote:My home state has 20 mph speed limits near schools. I’ve always wondered why it’s 25 here. However, having lived somewhere with 20 mph speed limits in places, I don’t support a speed limit of less than 25 in places where there’s no school and no significant pedestrian foot traffic. 25 is slow enough where you only see occasional foot traffic. It’s actually hard to obey a 20 mph speed limit. You have to be super vigilant because a slight downhill grade raises your speed when you’re going that slow. 25 is more natural.

It's no harder to obey a 20 mph speed limit than a 25 mph speed limit.

That’s not true.

Why is it harder to drive no faster than 20 mph than to drive no faster than 25 mph? Please explain. What do you do in parking lots?