Anonymous wrote:I’m fascinated by the ranking categories. Why not 1, 2, 3 and 4? Do you really need tiers within 1 and 2? What do they signify? If 2a and 2b are really a realm below 1a and 1b, why sully your list with them?

Because I was trying to differentiate between splitting hairs and actual difference in prestige. 1a and 1b are very close to each other. While 1b and 2a are fairly far apart. And so on 3a and 3b could very easily be one group but it would be overly large. But there is a noticable gap in my opinion between 3a and 4.

Can we create a list of affordable state universities, please?


I like UVa and William and Mary. Excellent state universities which are more affordable for in-state, very pleasant environments. However for out of state, terribly expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal list:

1. HYPSM
2. Columbia, Caltech, Wharton
3. Chicago, Penn (non-Wharton)
4. Duke, Northwestern
5. Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, JHU
6. Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona

This list sounds quite reasonable. Thankyou.

However, Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst and Williams should be ahead of Penn CAS. Penn CAS is not special in comparison.

Agree this is the best list I've seen so far here. Push down Penn to 4, then perfect

Good

The government should step in t subsidize education. The sticker price is insane and truly unfair.

I do not like the unfairness it imposes on our society.

Or, West Coast ???

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

So tired of seeing this same Columbia booster post this over and over and over on DCUM. Give it a rest. Any google search about the origin of the name Ivy League reveals this story doesn't hold. It seems like the poster came across this theory at some point in her life (or maybe created it), latched onto it, and has repeated it every chance she gets to try to boost Columbia. Not sure why she cares so much.

Maybe it is different people ? The East Coast is a big area of 100 million individuals ?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

Few go to college for emphasis in classics today

What exactly does that mean? Sit around the firepit and discuss the Illiad? How to poke Cyclop's one eye? How to escape from a whale's stomach? What? How does that even translate to the real world?

As they say.. A fool and his money are soon parted..

So very mistaken. These courses train a student to be able critically to read and to dissect any book, any article, or work of literature, to take these writings and ideas apart the way an expert mechanic can disassemble and reassemble a car engine. These courses and training last a lifetime with skills useful in the fields of law, journalism, medicine, business, education, and daily logical thinking. A lifetime in value from these core courses. The other colleges backed away from required courses at the time of the student strikes in the 1960's but Columbia kept these course courses because it understood their importance. 'General education' requirements elsewhere are Ok but not the same as these special core courses and they are hard to duplicate when not required for the entire entering class.

Harvard has only a 'general education' requirement. This definitely is nowhere as good as Columbia's core courses. I'm from Boston and know quite well about this.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

So tired of seeing this same Columbia booster post this over and over and over on DCUM. Give it a rest. Any google search about the origin of the name Ivy League reveals this story doesn't hold. It seems like the poster came across this theory at some point in her life (or maybe created it), latched onto it, and has repeated it every chance she gets to try to boost Columbia. Not sure why she cares so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

It's HYPSM, some gap then Columbia. Columbia is great, but its endowment is smaller than Penn or Northwestern's. That's one of the key differentiating wedges between HYPSM and Columbia.

Agree for the p[restige, but the quality of education is outstanding, including the core.

Columbia's endowment is less now because it spent ( is spending) $7 billion on the 17 acres of land it purchased near its traditional campus to bud a new campus. If it had not spent that amount, the endowment would be significantly larger. Still large at $11 billion something. it will get more from fundraising.

Interestingly, as a back door perspective on the importance of geography, all of these colleges and universities spend a fortune to have a college club in New York City. This shows the importance all of them attach to world-class NYC connections and opportunities above anywhere else in the country.

Agree that Columbia is one of the very best

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

It's HYPSM, some gap then Columbia. Columbia is great, but its endowment is smaller than Penn or Northwestern's. That's one of the key differentiating wedges between HYPSM and Columbia.

Agree for the p[restige, but the quality of education is outstanding, including the core.

Columbia's endowment is less now because it spent ( is spending) $7 billion on the 17 acres of land it purchased near its traditional campus to bud a new campus. If it had not spent that amount, the endowment would be significantly larger. Still large at $11 billion something. it will get more from fundraising.

Interestingly, as a back door perspective on the importance of geography, all of these colleges and universities spend a fortune to have a college club in New York City. This shows the importance all of them attach to world-class NYC connections and opportunities above anywhere else in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

Few go to college for emphasis in classics today

What exactly does that mean? Sit around the firepit and discuss the Illiad? How to poke Cyclop's one eye? How to escape from a whale's stomach? What? How does that even translate to the real world?

As they say.. A fool and his money are soon parted..

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

Few go to college for emphasis in classics today

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

It's HYPSM, some gap then Columbia. Columbia is great, but its endowment is smaller than Penn or Northwestern's. That's one of the key differentiating wedges between HYPSM and Columbia.

Yes, Columbia is next after HYP, but quite close. Plenty of genius kids there. New York City is hard to ignore in opportunities.

Historically, in the US from the 18th century through the 1930's or 1940's H, Y, P, C were the big four and the origins for the IV ( later Ivy) for emphasis on classics.

Exactly, it is an American disgrace that private universities and colleges across America charge fees higher than what most people earn.

That send out a terrible message to people about 'me...ism' and money.

Tuition at private schools was always high and a pressure, but not like today.