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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

and kids in England stop napping at 2-3 and go to bed at 7...... none of that is relevant.

Kids need a fair amount of sleep, but after toddlerhood, it can be divided into one or two segments. The idea that taking a nap and actually spending time with your parents in the evening is "unhealthy sleep" is ridiculous. Now, it's possible that OP is a crappy parent and her kid wouldn't benefit from the evening with her, but generally kids do benefit from time with their parents. And yes, if your kid hasn't been napping they'll have a few cranky days as they adjust. Same is true the other way.

Oh, so all that trouble we all went thru to get them to sleep 12 hours at night was stupid? Should we keep kids sleeping just seven hours at night and four during the day forever?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

and kids in England stop napping at 2-3 and go to bed at 7...... none of that is relevant.

Kids need a fair amount of sleep, but after toddlerhood, it can be divided into one or two segments. The idea that taking a nap and actually spending time with your parents in the evening is "unhealthy sleep" is ridiculous. Now, it's possible that OP is a crappy parent and her kid wouldn't benefit from the evening with her, but generally kids do benefit from time with their parents. And yes, if your kid hasn't been napping they'll have a few cranky days as they adjust. Same is true the other way.

DP here and it simply wasn’t true with my son. He wouldn’t fall asleep until 10 or 11 at night and then cry when we had to wake him at seven for daycare. He was groggy and wouldn’t eat which made it worse. Then he’d be so exhausted at nap time that he’d sleep for three hours. And the pattern would start again. We even saw a specialist who wrote a note to daycare asking that they start gently waking him up after two hours and daycare refused. It was a Bright Horizons.

It was bad for my child and not me. So cut the sh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2 year daycare is noon to 1 for lunch, 1 to 3 for nap time. And, once you are 3.5 to 4 year old, they expect there is no nap time, and they increase tuition for like $100-200 a month.

$150/mo divided by 20 working days a month = $7.5 a day, which is probably about 1/3 of a day care worker's hourly salary (after pay and payroll taxes). Wow, interesting how that works out!

The people complaining about the nap policy basically think they're entitled to free childcare.

Wait! So because your daycare is inexpensive you think daycare should do things that are not in the best interest of the child?

And what is public elementary school if not free child care?! Who determined that you’re not entitled to safe, good childcare until five?

You're not paying the extra $150 a month to cover the extra staffing for no naps. If you feel like doing that you are free to place your child in a different daycare.

I don't accept the "not in the best interest of the child" argument. In fact, nonparental care over 20 hours a week is not good for children. See the $15 a day universal daycare studies out of Quebec. Sorry to burst your bubble!

Okay, sweetie. Don’t think we didn’t notice you changed the subject. I have no bubble, dear.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

and kids in England stop napping at 2-3 and go to bed at 7...... none of that is relevant.

Kids need a fair amount of sleep, but after toddlerhood, it can be divided into one or two segments. The idea that taking a nap and actually spending time with your parents in the evening is "unhealthy sleep" is ridiculous. Now, it's possible that OP is a crappy parent and her kid wouldn't benefit from the evening with her, but generally kids do benefit from time with their parents. And yes, if your kid hasn't been napping they'll have a few cranky days as they adjust. Same is true the other way.

Anonymous wrote:And yes, I want an hour or so to myself at the end of the day and I don’t want an exhausted kid when I have to get him up at seven AM for daycare. And since I pay for daycare, how is the childcare free?

So you want to pick your kid up at 6:30 and put them in bed at 8:30. Two whole hours a day...

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want an exhausted kid when I have to get him up at seven AM

Why do you think your daycare wants to keep your exhausted cranky kid awake? lol BTW, if you don't appreciate what your daycare does for your kid, why are they there?

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Anonymous wrote:My 2 year daycare is noon to 1 for lunch, 1 to 3 for nap time. And, once you are 3.5 to 4 year old, they expect there is no nap time, and they increase tuition for like $100-200 a month.

$150/mo divided by 20 working days a month = $7.5 a day, which is probably about 1/3 of a day care worker's hourly salary (after pay and payroll taxes). Wow, interesting how that works out!

The people complaining about the nap policy basically think they're entitled to free childcare.

Wait! So because your daycare is inexpensive you think daycare should do things that are not in the best interest of the child?

And what is public elementary school if not free child care?! Who determined that you’re not entitled to safe, good childcare until five?

You're not paying the extra $150 a month to cover the extra staffing for no naps. If you feel like doing that you are free to place your child in a different daycare.

I don't accept the "not in the best interest of the child" argument. In fact, nonparental care over 20 hours a week is not good for children. See the $15 a day universal daycare studies out of Quebec. Sorry to burst your bubble!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

and kids in England stop napping at 2-3 and go to bed at 7...... none of that is relevant.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My 2 year daycare is noon to 1 for lunch, 1 to 3 for nap time. And, once you are 3.5 to 4 year old, they expect there is no nap time, and they increase tuition for like $100-200 a month.

$150/mo divided by 20 working days a month = $7.5 a day, which is probably about 1/3 of a day care worker's hourly salary (after pay and payroll taxes). Wow, interesting how that works out!

The people complaining about the nap policy basically think they're entitled to free childcare.

Wait! So because your daycare is inexpensive you think daycare should do things that are not in the best interest of the child?

And what is public elementary school if not free child care?! Who determined that you’re not entitled to safe, good childcare until five?

Good point. The typical DCUM defense of daycare can still make room for improvements. Don’t let your defense of all things daycare blind you.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2 year daycare is noon to 1 for lunch, 1 to 3 for nap time. And, once you are 3.5 to 4 year old, they expect there is no nap time, and they increase tuition for like $100-200 a month.

$150/mo divided by 20 working days a month = $7.5 a day, which is probably about 1/3 of a day care worker's hourly salary (after pay and payroll taxes). Wow, interesting how that works out!

The people complaining about the nap policy basically think they're entitled to free childcare.

Wait! So because your daycare is inexpensive you think daycare should do things that are not in the best interest of the child?

And what is public elementary school if not free child care?! Who determined that you’re not entitled to safe, good childcare until five?

Anonymous wrote:My super physically active kid napped for 3+ hours every day until kindergarten (which was a rough start because of the loss of the nap). I remember thinking the 3 hour time period was too short!

My super physically active kid dropped naps completely at 2.5.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

I don’t live in Spain. My kids don’t go to school or work in Spain.

And yes, it’s been proven that night sleep is more beneficial.

And yes, I want an hour or so to myself at the end of the day and I don’t want an exhausted kid when I have to get him up at seven AM for daycare. And since I pay for daycare, how is the childcare free?

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised by how many of you just accept this screwed up rule that messes with your child’s sleep cycle! It’s not anti-daycare-worker to want healthy sleep for our kids.

This is why daycares need federal assistance. Hire more workers and keep costs low.

Is it healthy sleep? Kids in Spain have a long middle of the day nap and go to sleep late. I think it's more about you wanting free childcare and "me time" at the end of the day.

Anonymous wrote:My 2 year daycare is noon to 1 for lunch, 1 to 3 for nap time. And, once you are 3.5 to 4 year old, they expect there is no nap time, and they increase tuition for like $100-200 a month.

$150/mo divided by 20 working days a month = $7.5 a day, which is probably about 1/3 of a day care worker's hourly salary (after pay and payroll taxes). Wow, interesting how that works out!

The people complaining about the nap policy basically think they're entitled to free childcare.

My super physically active kid napped for 3+ hours every day until kindergarten (which was a rough start because of the loss of the nap). I remember thinking the 3 hour time period was too short!

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, totally normal. Remember once naptime "starts" the kids are still settling in. You have to give them time to fall asleep.

The center is also balancing the needs of all kids-not just what you want. And kids that age need naps!

Not all kids need naps. Quiet time is fine but give the non-mappers something to do!

I can’t believe people are defending this! It totally screws up some kids sleep cycles.

Yep, totally screws up the sleep cycles of the kids napping when others are up running around.

Sounds like you should find a new child care provider.

If you have 15 kids in one room you're never going to get optimal care. If you want optimal care, hire a nanny or stay home.