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Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

Ok, first off, your "roster" opinion is just that, an opinion. Many GA teams also have large rosters so it is a mood point.

Secondly, looks like 155 teams were included in this. So using your same logic ECNL should have 52.9% of teams in finals followed by 25.8% GA, 14.2% EDP and 7% others if all things were equal...

Now, of the final appearances there was 38 teams. 29 of 38 were ECNL for 76%. 6 of 38 were GA for 15.7%. 5% went for EDP and 2.6% for CCL.

If you get into Championship Divisions won, the numbers even leans more towards ECNL's over all performance. Sure, you could certainly break it down by each division but you are only going to find a similar answer.

Again, this was just to show actual Data between the long debate. The only thing that lives in my head is watching people argue over who's better, more competitive, so on, so forth without any data to back up an opinion. ECNL wins this round. We'll see what happens next year, hopefully post CoVid.

Who in the GA can skew those numbers next year? No one

Somehow you continue to find a way to bring up GA.

Your numbers are still wrong (and you conveniently ignore your sampling errors). Also, you keep slicing the numbers to reinforce a point which is statistically invalid. Your analysis is wrong and therefore your data is not actual - just meaningless. This is simple college statistics, it shouldn’t be too hard. I know math and I wish you would stop giving statistics a bad name, we need no more math deniers.


But it is Ok, we always let the younger kids take 3 or 4 free throws for everyone of ours when we play basketball. It give the kids a better chance to succeed and feel good about themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

Ok, first off, your "roster" opinion is just that, an opinion. Many GA teams also have large rosters so it is a mood point.

Secondly, looks like 155 teams were included in this. So using your same logic ECNL should have 52.9% of teams in finals followed by 25.8% GA, 14.2% EDP and 7% others if all things were equal...

Now, of the final appearances there was 38 teams. 29 of 38 were ECNL for 76%. 6 of 38 were GA for 15.7%. 5% went for EDP and 2.6% for CCL.

If you get into Championship Divisions won, the numbers even leans more towards ECNL's over all performance. Sure, you could certainly break it down by each division but you are only going to find a similar answer.

Again, this was just to show actual Data between the long debate. The only thing that lives in my head is watching people argue over who's better, more competitive, so on, so forth without any data to back up an opinion. ECNL wins this round. We'll see what happens next year, hopefully post CoVid.

Who in the GA can skew those numbers next year? No one

Somehow you continue to find a way to bring up GA.

Your numbers are still wrong (and you conveniently ignore your sampling errors). Also, you keep slicing the numbers to reinforce a point which is statistically invalid. Your analysis is wrong and therefore your data is not actual - just meaningless. This is simple college statistics, it shouldn’t be too hard. I know math and I wish you would stop giving statistics a bad name, we need no more math deniers.


But it is Ok, we always let the younger kids take 3 or 4 free throws for everyone of ours when we play basketball. It give the kids a better chance to succeed and feel good about themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

Ok, first off, your "roster" opinion is just that, an opinion. Many GA teams also have large rosters so it is a mood point.

Secondly, looks like 155 teams were included in this. So using your same logic ECNL should have 52.9% of teams in finals followed by 25.8% GA, 14.2% EDP and 7% others if all things were equal...

Now, of the final appearances there was 38 teams. 29 of 38 were ECNL for 76%. 6 of 38 were GA for 15.7%. 5% went for EDP and 2.6% for CCL.

If you get into Championship Divisions won, the numbers even leans more towards ECNL's over all performance. Sure, you could certainly break it down by each division but you are only going to find a similar answer.

Again, this was just to show actual Data between the long debate. The only thing that lives in my head is watching people argue over who's better, more competitive, so on, so forth without any data to back up an opinion. ECNL wins this round. We'll see what happens next year, hopefully post CoVid.

Who in the GA can skew those numbers next year? No one

Somehow you continue to find a way to bring up GA.

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Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

Ok, first off, your "roster" opinion is just that, an opinion. Many GA teams also have large rosters so it is a mood point.

Secondly, looks like 155 teams were included in this. So using your same logic ECNL should have 52.9% of teams in finals followed by 25.8% GA, 14.2% EDP and 7% others if all things were equal...

Now, of the final appearances there was 38 teams. 29 of 38 were ECNL for 76%. 6 of 38 were GA for 15.7%. 5% went for EDP and 2.6% for CCL.

If you get into Championship Divisions won, the numbers even leans more towards ECNL's over all performance. Sure, you could certainly break it down by each division but you are only going to find a similar answer.

Again, this was just to show actual Data between the long debate. The only thing that lives in my head is watching people argue over who's better, more competitive, so on, so forth without any data to back up an opinion. ECNL wins this round. We'll see what happens next year, hopefully post CoVid.

Who in the GA can skew those numbers next year? No one

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Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

Ok, first off, your "roster" opinion is just that, an opinion. Many GA teams also have large rosters so it is a mood point.

Secondly, looks like 155 teams were included in this. So using your same logic ECNL should have 52.9% of teams in finals followed by 25.8% GA, 14.2% EDP and 7% others if all things were equal...

Now, of the final appearances there was 38 teams. 29 of 38 were ECNL for 76%. 6 of 38 were GA for 15.7%. 5% went for EDP and 2.6% for CCL.

If you get into Championship Divisions won, the numbers even leans more towards ECNL's over all performance. Sure, you could certainly break it down by each division but you are only going to find a similar answer.

Again, this was just to show actual Data between the long debate. The only thing that lives in my head is watching people argue over who's better, more competitive, so on, so forth without any data to back up an opinion. ECNL wins this round. We'll see what happens next year, hopefully post CoVid.

Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, no one cares about GA. They are obsolete. Even more so next year.

And yet you're the only one talking about them. GA seems to living rent free in your head.

Yeah. You’re right. The GA is living rent free in my head.

You keep bringing it up.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, no one cares about GA. They are obsolete. Even more so next year.

And yet you're the only one talking about them. GA seems to living rent free in your head.

Yeah. You’re right. The GA is living rent free in my head.

Anonymous wrote:If I have a bracket of 12 (U16), 8 are ECNL, 2 are GA and 2 are EDP, Aren’t the odds of an ECNL team winning the bracket 8/12 or 67%? Aren’t the odds of a GA or EDP team wining 16%? Do clubs lose basic math skills when they enter ECNL? Is that why they have 20-30 kids on the roster (too hard to count to 18)? Or, do they need to swarm the competitions to win (kind of a Chinese tactic in war)?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, no one cares about GA. They are obsolete. Even more so next year.

And yet you're the only one talking about them. GA seems to living rent free in your head.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's like some of you can't understand 2+2. I think the purpose of the first post was to eliminate the debate using statistics. I just can't understand how anyone can't understand the point but rather just makes excuses or complains.

ECNL outperformed GA by leaps and bounds at Jeff Cup. At this point GA should call it a day and just go to USYS/State Cup. It would benefit everyone involved IMO if "leagues" don't matter.

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Honestly all these leagues would be better and better serve the players if they were more regionalized and localized. "National" leagues for youth sports are just plain stupid. But they are all businesses designed to serve clubs and league before they serve any the players - from ECNL on down.

Pssst, a little secret for you, these are actually "regional leagues". The only "National" component comes with the National showcases.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, no one cares about GA. They are obsolete. Even more so next year.