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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, [b]so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.
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This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

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How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

So they look relatively close for offers, but is there a significant percentage at either school that doesn't get offers (or internships)?

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how so man UVA partisans seem to portray Michigan as some huge party school. It is a large school to be sure, but has the resources to support its students. It’s also one of the more intellectually stimulating environments in the entire country. Certainly on par or better overall than UVA in almost every imaginable way.

Both UVA and Michigan are party schools. That's the nature of being large public universities. As for intellectually stimulating environments, anyone that thinks a school known for Southern frat culture is more intellectually stimulating than a school that excels in every academic discipline across the board...

No. it is only for those that want it to be - mainly the Greeks which are off campus on Rugby Road. If you gave the grades and stats to get in, most likely you aren't going to be drinking or partying hard. My DS didn't. It's the Greeks and some male athletes that do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.