Anonymous wrote:Have a friend who has been in the industry for nearly 40 years - has worked with everyone from Madonna and Michael Jackson making videos to Spike Lee and Martin Scorsese on full length features, from the Sopranos to the Marvel Universe. When I once asked him who was the worst person he ever encountered he did not hesitate to indicate Ashley Judd. Said she was “spoiled, unprofessional, hard headed, selfish, insecure, unreliable and a bit crazy.”

I hope she gets better but I bet there is a back story.

Anonymous wrote:She seems like a very good person and I’m sorry this happened to her... but can we please talk about how bad her filler looks? Is this really preferable to just aging now?

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Anonymous wrote:In her defense she has acknowledged her privilege in the treatment she is receiving.

Oh please.

She‘s one of the wealthiest white women and was photographed being literally carried on the backs of strong Black men.

And Congo has hospitals, you know. Do you think any of the men in that photo would be flown to South Africa if they broke their leg? (or for any reason?)

She just another ultra-rich, Holly-weird raised, privileged, arrogant white who thinks she is above Covid rules (I’m sure she thinks: “ let the poors and the little people stay at home; I will do as I please).

Anonymous wrote:Without the annoying but usually well meaning celebrities that “study” wildlife and/or champion wildlife causes, a lot of local organizations in countries across the world would be in dire financial straights.

Researchers bring grants to fund the research and best practices and training to the local preserves and entities they work with. But it’s fundraising that people like Judd and others bring that help to bring attention to conservation issues, attract donors. And often help to sway local conservation laws.

Another poster snarkily said that bonobos are doomed if Judd is their lifeline. But consider that Judd is able to bring far more attention to bonobos in just one appearance than many researchers in their life time, Goodall not withstanding.

I can also assure you that many of these preserves are desperate for money. They get little financial support from their local governments and to some extent the very notion of “conservation” is viewed as being the EPITOME of white / western privilege in countries where animals are viewed as resources / food / medicine / tourist attractions. So bringing in money and attention is important, even if it’s not as “serious” as the “real researchers’” work. On that front, Judd is doing a good thing.

It’s sad that the supposed primatologists on this thread aren’t acknowledging that.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is her life partner?

Yes, who is it?

Did she refer to a life partner at some point? I only know she divorced the hot race car driver, who promptly remarried and had a couple of kids with some young model type.

Anonymous wrote:This story should be a lesson on the importance of medical evacuation insurance. I have it because I’m disabled and I want to travel without the worry about the ability to get appropriate care. I have MedJet assist for almost 10 years now. Anyone can get it, and it’s not as expensive as I thought it would be.

I assume she also has it.

Also to all the jerks on this thread, I am assuming her injuries are the kind of breaks that necessitate surgical intervention and the iv of antibiotics within 24 hours to prevent infection or gangrene. I’ve been in this situation (crushing injury, in shock, medi vac to Fairfax). There but for the grace of God go I. You don’t want to know the pain, the waves of consciousness, the shock....

Who knows what she was doing there? I mean look at the travel forum, seems like lots of people are traveling. Congo certainly wouldn’t not be my first choice for many reasons but that’s where she was. People need to deal.

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Anonymous wrote:In her defense she has acknowledged her privilege in the treatment she is receiving.

Oh please.

She‘s one of the wealthiest white women and was photographed being literally carried on the backs of strong Black men.

And Congo has hospitals, you know. Do you think any of the men in that photo would be flown to South Africa if they broke their leg? (or for any reason?)

She just another ultra-rich, Holly-weird raised, privileged, arrogant white who thinks she is above Covid rules (I’m sure she thinks: “ let the poors and the little people stay at home; I will do as I please).

She addresses that in the article.

Also, I will guarantee you that every person in Congo that has the means to get to South Africa for medical treatment for a serious illness or injury would do so. I don't think it's really fair to call her out on that. You'd do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a friend who has been in the industry for nearly 40 years - has worked with everyone from Madonna and Michael Jackson making videos to Spike Lee and Martin Scorsese on full length features, from the Sopranos to the Marvel Universe. When I once asked him who was the worst person he ever encountered he did not hesitate to indicate Ashley Judd. Said she was “spoiled, unprofessional, hard headed, selfish, insecure, unreliable and a bit crazy.”

I hope she gets better but I bet there is a back story.

I think her family has had such significant pathology in their history, (they admit as much) and so she has suffered a good deal of emotional deprivation and abuse/trauma in her childhood, I respect her in many ways, I just find the underlying histrionic streak in all of the Judds to be wearying, her and her mother in particular seem compelled to photograph and display their pain and yet I understand her drive to save others and to save the world. She needed saving as a little girl and no one was there for her. She at least tries to use her fame for good, which is commendable. I can think of worse celebrities.

This pretty much sums it up. I think she's somewhat troubled, but when you read about her childhood, that's not suprising.

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No no no.... she was on a hike - not saving the world.

She is raising awareness about the bonobos, about whom I knew nothing until I read this. Maybe it will inspire donations etc. But do I think she should be doing this during a global pandemic? Of course not.

Really? You knew NOTHING about bonobos until Ashley Judd broke her leg? Did you not go to high school? Have you never watched a documentary on PBS?

I have a PhD in a non-primate related field, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Erm...why was she in Congo in the first place? Is she aware there is a global pandemic on?

So much for staying home wearing your mask - such privilege. I love France (she loves Congo) but you don't see me freaking going there.

What type of research do you do in France

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Anonymous wrote:Have a friend who has been in the industry for nearly 40 years - has worked with everyone from Madonna and Michael Jackson making videos to Spike Lee and Martin Scorsese on full length features, from the Sopranos to the Marvel Universe. When I once asked him who was the worst person he ever encountered he did not hesitate to indicate Ashley Judd. Said she was “spoiled, unprofessional, hard headed, selfish, insecure, unreliable and a bit crazy.”

I hope she gets better but I bet there is a back story.

I think her family has had such significant pathology in their history, (they admit as much) and so she has suffered a good deal of emotional deprivation and abuse/trauma in her childhood, I respect her in many ways, I just find the underlying histrionic streak in all of the Judds to be wearying, her and her mother in particular seem compelled to photograph and display their pain and yet I understand her drive to save others and to save the world. She needed saving as a little girl and no one was there for her. She at least tries to use her fame for good, which is commendable. I can think of worse celebrities.

This pretty much sums it up. I think she's somewhat troubled, but when you read about her childhood, that's not suprising.

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No no no.... she was on a hike - not saving the world.

She is raising awareness about the bonobos, about whom I knew nothing until I read this. Maybe it will inspire donations etc. But do I think she should be doing this during a global pandemic? Of course not.

Really? You knew NOTHING about bonobos until Ashley Judd broke her leg? Did you not go to high school? Have you never watched a documentary on PBS?

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Anonymous wrote:Erm...why was she in Congo in the first place? Is she aware there is a global pandemic on?

Apparently she studies bonobos there: https://www.today.com/health/ashley-judd-recalls-catastrophic-leg-accident-congo-t208952

I have a lot of questions about how/why Judd is involved with long-term primate research, but that's the reason.

Yeah, did she REALLY need to check on the bonobos IN PERSON right now? Seems a bit self serving. Now she's using health resources that the people there might need.

Jane Goodall is at home so there’s that.

Yes, I actually work with hundreds of primatologists, and guess what? They are all at home. Their seasons have been canceled, their field work is on hold, their labs are mostly closed. The idea that Ashley Judd, an earnest amateur at best, a dilettante at worst, NEEDED to go to Congo, or even more laughably, that the bobobos NEEDED her, is patently ludicrous.