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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

Yes. The kids that just missed UVA will do fine at W&M or Va Tech. In fact, for some, the other schools are better fits. My DD (accepted EA at UVA last year, but chose W&M) found the atmosphere at UVA to be to extroverted for her.

+1 I'm the PP whose 1490/4.2 kid was rejected. I actually didn't want him to apply because I think VT is a much better fit for him and what he wants to study. If he'd taken my advice he'd have applied there ED. But, of course, it's his decision. I think the inability to attend events the last Spring made it hard for him to fully commit to ED.

We have a good friend who was declined at UVA with similar stats - and was absolutely heartbroken. He went to Tech and is now a sophomore with a 4.0 in computer science and doing amazing. Now he still does not have a real connection to Tech but he's getting the education and opportunities he needs to be successful. He was actually toying with transferring to UVA for the fall but after looking at the programs, he feels he's better off staying - he's also on track to graduate early. Your son will be fine!!

Thanks, he definitely will and isn't upset at all about UVA, knew it was a big long shot. To be clear, it's VT that we discussed for ED. He also has three admits to strong back up options if VT doesn't come through. He really should be a sure thing there (not applying to engineering) but they've been kind of unpredictable the last couple years so not counting it as a safety.

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How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

I can see the last five years in Naviance. Applied/Accepted/Admitted. It's easy to find. Other VA schools don't have the consistent number so don't seem to have the firm quota that UVA does.

I can see the past 10 years in my Naviance... not hard to gather the information.

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How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

I can see the last five years in Naviance. Applied/Accepted/Admitted. It's easy to find. Other VA schools don't have the consistent number so don't seem to have the firm quota that UVA does.

How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

Yes. The kids that just missed UVA will do fine at W&M or Va Tech. In fact, for some, the other schools are better fits. My DD (accepted EA at UVA last year, but chose W&M) found the atmosphere at UVA to be to extroverted for her.

+1 I'm the PP whose 1490/4.2 kid was rejected. I actually didn't want him to apply because I think VT is a much better fit for him and what he wants to study. If he'd taken my advice he'd have applied there ED. But, of course, it's his decision. I think the inability to attend events the last Spring made it hard for him to fully commit to ED.

We have a good friend who was declined at UVA with similar stats - and was absolutely heartbroken. He went to Tech and is now a sophomore with a 4.0 in computer science and doing amazing. Now he still does not have a real connection to Tech but he's getting the education and opportunities he needs to be successful. He was actually toying with transferring to UVA for the fall but after looking at the programs, he feels he's better off staying - he's also on track to graduate early. Your son will be fine!!

Anonymous wrote:Do most TJ kids get into UVA?

This is an old article but I found it interesting.
https://www.tjtoday.org/11340/opinion/university-of-virginia-admissions-procedure-hurts-jefferson-students/

With regard to a typical NoVA public school, our mid sized LCPS graduates a class of approximately 400 each year, and according to Naviance, UVA accepts 15-17 each year out of about 65-70+ applicants. Of that, about 10 will attend. Heard directly from our school counselor's mouth, "UVA likes the to 5%" so if you're in there, you're golden. My twins were top 2% and top 6%. They are, at least at our school, VERY focused on GPA over test scores (though I know Dean J will protest - it's true at our school). I know tons of kids who had better much scores than mine (in pre-COVID years), whose GPA was under 4.25 and did not get in. For some frame of reference, my UVA accepted kids GPAs are 4.43 and 4.6. As of right now, Naviance updated this morning to show 5 accepted out of a class of 404, two are my kids and the only ones who got in ED so that would mean that only 3 additional got in through EA, which is crazy as we had 76 applications this year. I can't imagine that is true, but it updated overnight and it's clearly not ED people because they would show as enrolled and they are not.

For comparison, over 100 kids applied to Tech this year, usually about 60+ get in and 30+ attend. W&M does not draw quite as strongly for some reason from our HS, kinda seen as not a a "fun" school and the lack of really competitive sports seems to deter alot. If you look the Naviance graph for W&M, it's a sea of Blue (waitlist for the uninitiated). My kid was going to apply but knew he had to do ED to have the best chance of getting in. We only send a handful of kids to W&M every year, literally like 3 or 4.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

Yes. The kids that just missed UVA will do fine at W&M or Va Tech. In fact, for some, the other schools are better fits. My DD (accepted EA at UVA last year, but chose W&M) found the atmosphere at UVA to be to extroverted for her.

+1 I'm the PP whose 1490/4.2 kid was rejected. I actually didn't want him to apply because I think VT is a much better fit for him and what he wants to study. If he'd taken my advice he'd have applied there ED. But, of course, it's his decision. I think the inability to attend events the last Spring made it hard for him to fully commit to ED.

Do most TJ kids get into UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

Yes. The kids that just missed UVA will do fine at W&M or Va Tech. In fact, for some, the other schools are better fits. My DD (accepted EA at UVA last year, but chose W&M) found the atmosphere at UVA to be to extroverted for her.

Anonymous wrote:So does UVA yield protect?

No. Doesn’t have the time or resources.

So does UVA yield protect?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

PP here and I agree with you. It just seems crazy that any state university would require stats like these.

Well, that’s where the Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Virginia factor comes in.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I guess I just don’t understand why a state school requires stats that one would expect at an Ivy. I mean, seriously?

Virginia is blessed with several very high-quality public schools, each are actually very different from the other in vibe and in that way it serves our state really well. We’re very lucky to have all the great schools we have in Virginia.

+1. There are actually forty one public institutions of higher education in Virginia (including the community colleges) plus the generous transfer programs we were able to send all three to three different Virginia schools, which turned out to be lifesaver because they are now off doing grad work.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mineral, Virginia with those stats would get accepted... It's super hard for Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun County kids to get into UVA EA

Oh stop. This trope is so old.

It's not a trope, it's the way it is. Was just talking with a friend who lives in Manassas whose child and classmate got into UVa today with a much weaker profile than my Arlington kid who got declined. You are judged against your individual school. And, while UVa will swear they don't have quotas they take the same number of kids from our school every year. It's fine. They have to do that or too much of the school would be from NoVA. They should just be honest with people, lots don't understand how it works. We knew the deal going in but DD still wanted to see.

Besides TJ, what is the approximate maximum number of students UVA would take from a large high school in FCPS? I think 25-40? Maybe 50? I know that Dean J says there are no quotas for schools. I think kids think they have a good chance at UVA when they are in the top 10% of their high school, but the tippy top kids get in everywhere and some of the others face disappointment.

My kids are at W-L. Naviance shows that UVA has taken 49-51 kids every year no matter how many apply. There's clearly a quota of about 50. I don't understand why they aren't just honest about it, it's not hard to find the data. W-L might be higher than other APS schools because it has the magnet IB program.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid from Mineral, Virginia with those stats would get accepted... It's super hard for Arlington, Fairfax and Loudoun County kids to get into UVA EA

Oh stop. This trope is so old.

It's not a trope, it's the way it is. Was just talking with a friend who lives in Manassas whose child and classmate got into UVa today with a much weaker profile than my Arlington kid who got declined. You are judged against your individual school. And, while UVa will swear they don't have quotas they take the same number of kids from our school every year. It's fine. They have to do that or too much of the school would be from NoVA. They should just be honest with people, lots don't understand how it works. We knew the deal going in but DD still wanted to see.

Besides TJ, what is the approximate maximum number of students UVA would take from a large high school in FCPS? I think 25-40? Maybe 50? I know that Dean J says there are no quotas for schools. I think kids think they have a good chance at UVA when they are in the top 10% of their high school, but the tippy top kids get in everywhere and some of the others face disappointment.