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There was a lot of press at the time fawning all over him for basically being the polar opposite of his persona in real life. A really calm, thoughtful, intelligent, and even shy guy who loved puppies and kittens and was the height of non-threatening. I think Dita originally put a lot of that narrative out there when they were together, but it was definitely a thing. He is actually pretty intelligent and well spoken but quiet in interviews. I can see that narrative making you question yourself, especially at 18.

Yes, I'm glad someone picked up on this... I was not goth, did not listen to Manson, and had no idea about his love life, but I do remember this being the media narrative at the time: it's all for show, it's art. And I think all the blamers are missing the point that it is very VERY unlikely that he approached Evan Rachel Wood by discussing how he liked to kill puppies/hurt partners. Instead it was likely a reiteration of this exact same narrative that was already the prevailing one--I am shy and sensitive and it is an absurd act you are smart enough to see this, save me, etc. The same crap many many much older women have fallen for when they want to rescue a (hopefully much less toxic) loser.

I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

There was a lot of press at the time fawning all over him for basically being the polar opposite of his persona in real life. A really calm, thoughtful, intelligent, and even shy guy who loved puppies and kittens and was the height of non-threatening. I think Dita originally put a lot of that narrative out there when they were together, but it was definitely a thing. He is actually pretty intelligent and well spoken but quiet in interviews. I can see that narrative making you question yourself, especially at 18.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

When you are young your instincts and judgements are less matured and your perception of dangerous behavior not as evolved as an adult. This isn’t just lack of experience, it’s biological and a reflection of brain and emotional development. Moreover, people like Manson, who groomed Wood from a young age, intentionally desensitize their victims to inappropriate and/or dangerous acts; it’s the entire point of grooming and how they prey on and ultimately exploit their victims. Lastly, in Hollywood, where children are adultified and sexualized, predatory behavior is - or has been historically - normalized.

All of which is to day, you ARE victim blaming. And you are substantiating it by using terms like “good judgement” that negate that young victims of rape, abuse, and assault are often deprived through grooming, lack of appropriate boundaries of adults around them, lack of supervision of truly caring, responsible adults, and sheer youth to detect what is assault versus affection, rape versus consensual sex, and “normal” versus inappropriate behavior.

Please stop.

No. I’ve been to pedophile & abuse training for youth. One of the biggest points they drive home is how to sharpen our senses, how to listen to our instincts. Your message seems to be implying to we have no instincts, agency, or ability to develop character discernment. We absolutely do. Young women must listen to them. In these training courses, they talk about grooming. They discuss what type of “asks” are inappropriate, and what type of “asks” should send a shiver down your spine. Many of us know these things intuitively. Many others need to hear it (especially kids). I do not blame Rachel whatsoever. But...let’s encourage our kids to take people for their word. If they appear to be cruel, then don’t enter a relationship or leave it when it becomes apparent. That’s all. And nothing I said is controversial.

You either didn't pay attention, twisted it to suit your preset narrative, or need to get your money back. Your lack of understanding how this works is utterly disgusting.

NP. Yeah, the pp is victim blaming. If only sex abuse victims could recognize the signs, listen to themselves, etc then they wouldn't be abused-- that is the definition of victim blaming.

Pp, I'm glad you took that training. But people on this thread who are actual victims of abuse have told you that they grew up in situations that distorted their perception of normal so nothing seemed amiss.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

When you are young your instincts and judgements are less matured and your perception of dangerous behavior not as evolved as an adult. This isn’t just lack of experience, it’s biological and a reflection of brain and emotional development. Moreover, people like Manson, who groomed Wood from a young age, intentionally desensitize their victims to inappropriate and/or dangerous acts; it’s the entire point of grooming and how they prey on and ultimately exploit their victims. Lastly, in Hollywood, where children are adultified and sexualized, predatory behavior is - or has been historically - normalized.

All of which is to day, you ARE victim blaming. And you are substantiating it by using terms like “good judgement” that negate that young victims of rape, abuse, and assault are often deprived through grooming, lack of appropriate boundaries of adults around them, lack of supervision of truly caring, responsible adults, and sheer youth to detect what is assault versus affection, rape versus consensual sex, and “normal” versus inappropriate behavior.

Please stop.

No. I’ve been to pedophile & abuse training for youth. One of the biggest points they drive home is how to sharpen our senses, how to listen to our instincts. Your message seems to be implying to we have no instincts, agency, or ability to develop character discernment. We absolutely do. Young women must listen to them. In these training courses, they talk about grooming. They discuss what type of “asks” are inappropriate, and what type of “asks” should send a shiver down your spine. Many of us know these things intuitively. Many others need to hear it (especially kids). I do not blame Rachel whatsoever. But...let’s encourage our kids to take people for their word. If they appear to be cruel, then don’t enter a relationship or leave it when it becomes apparent. That’s all. And nothing I said is controversial.

You either didn't pay attention, twisted it to suit your preset narrative, or need to get your money back. Your lack of understanding how this works is utterly disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

When you are young your instincts and judgements are less matured and your perception of dangerous behavior not as evolved as an adult. This isn’t just lack of experience, it’s biological and a reflection of brain and emotional development. Moreover, people like Manson, who groomed Wood from a young age, intentionally desensitize their victims to inappropriate and/or dangerous acts; it’s the entire point of grooming and how they prey on and ultimately exploit their victims. Lastly, in Hollywood, where children are adultified and sexualized, predatory behavior is - or has been historically - normalized.

All of which is to day, you ARE victim blaming. And you are substantiating it by using terms like “good judgement” that negate that young victims of rape, abuse, and assault are often deprived through grooming, lack of appropriate boundaries of adults around them, lack of supervision of truly caring, responsible adults, and sheer youth to detect what is assault versus affection, rape versus consensual sex, and “normal” versus inappropriate behavior.

Please stop.

No. I’ve been to pedophile & abuse training for youth. One of the biggest points they drive home is how to sharpen our senses, how to listen to our instincts. Your message seems to be implying to we have no instincts, agency, or ability to develop character discernment. We absolutely do. Young women must listen to them. In these training courses, they talk about grooming. They discuss what type of “asks” are inappropriate, and what type of “asks” should send a shiver down your spine. Many of us know these things intuitively. Many others need to hear it (especially kids). I do not blame Rachel whatsoever. But...let’s encourage our kids to take people for their word. If they appear to be cruel, then don’t enter a relationship or leave it when it becomes apparent. That’s all. And nothing I said is controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

She was 18 or 19.

No doubt she had been abused way before.

You don’t know this and have no business suggesting that. Moreover, not all 18 year olds, especially ones who grow up in an environment like Hollywood where boundary setting, especially for girls and women, isn’t typical, are savvy enough/ mature enough / confident enough to reject the advances of a 30 something man. Again, the insinuation is she should have known better. That’s victim blaming.

You know you have a real comprehension problem? Reread what I said.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

She was 18 or 19.

No doubt she had been abused way before.

You don’t know this and have no business suggesting that. Moreover, not all 18 year olds, especially ones who grow up in an environment like Hollywood where boundary setting, especially for girls and women, isn’t typical, are savvy enough/ mature enough / confident enough to reject the advances of a 30 something man. Again, the insinuation is she should have known better. That’s victim blaming.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

She was 18 or 19.

No doubt she had been abused way before.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

She was 18 or 19.

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Anonymous wrote:Where the hell were her parents when all of this was going down? Or the rest of her friends and family? How terrifying.

Seriously. Massive parenting fail when your teen daughter is dating a 30 something man.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

When you are young your instincts and judgements are less matured and your perception of dangerous behavior not as evolved as an adult. This isn’t just lack of experience, it’s biological and a reflection of brain and emotional development. Moreover, people like Manson, who groomed Wood from a young age, intentionally desensitize their victims to inappropriate and/or dangerous acts; it’s the entire point of grooming and how they prey on and ultimately exploit their victims. Lastly, in Hollywood, where children are adultified and sexualized, predatory behavior is - or has been historically - normalized.

All of which is to day, you ARE victim blaming. And you are substantiating it by using terms like “good judgement” that negate that young victims of rape, abuse, and assault are often deprived through grooming, lack of appropriate boundaries of adults around them, lack of supervision of truly caring, responsible adults, and sheer youth to detect what is assault versus affection, rape versus consensual sex, and “normal” versus inappropriate behavior.

Please stop.

No. I’ve been to pedophile & abuse training for youth. One of the biggest points they drive home is how to sharpen our senses, how to listen to our instincts. Your message seems to be implying to we have no instincts, agency, or ability to develop character discernment. We absolutely do. Young women must listen to them. In these training courses, they talk about grooming. They discuss what type of “asks” are inappropriate, and what type of “asks” should send a shiver down your spine. Many of us know these things intuitively. Many others need to hear it (especially kids). I do not blame Rachel whatsoever. But...let’s encourage our kids to take people for their word. If they appear to be cruel, then don’t enter a relationship or leave it when it becomes apparent. That’s all. And nothing I said is controversial.

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone assumed that it was Marilyln Manson considering she was with him when she was very young (and was probably abused by men before him). I cannot believe the victim blaming on this thread. You lot are disgusting.

IT’S NOT VICTIM BLAMING!!!!! I have enormous sympathy for her. But DAMN, let’s use good judgment and instincts ladies!

When you are young your instincts and judgements are less matured and your perception of dangerous behavior not as evolved as an adult. This isn’t just lack of experience, it’s biological and a reflection of brain and emotional development. Moreover, people like Manson, who groomed Wood from a young age, intentionally desensitize their victims to inappropriate and/or dangerous acts; it’s the entire point of grooming and how they prey on and ultimately exploit their victims. Lastly, in Hollywood, where children are adultified and sexualized, predatory behavior is - or has been historically - normalized.

All of which is to day, you ARE victim blaming. And you are substantiating it by using terms like “good judgement” that negate that young victims of rape, abuse, and assault are often deprived through grooming, lack of appropriate boundaries of adults around them, lack of supervision of truly caring, responsible adults, and sheer youth to detect what is assault versus affection, rape versus consensual sex, and “normal” versus inappropriate behavior.

Please stop.