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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

To all the pitchforks out there. You do realize most colleges are struggling financially at the moment. Revenue generating activities are non-existent (no tickets sales from college games) and you really can't charge room and board if your students are learning remotely. All of a sudden, your average/below average full-pay out-of-state student is a very attractive option. I do not think colleges care about where your kid was accepted ED, they want your money.

Whether or not the school needs your money, OPs intended action is unethical. Also, OPs hopeful target is a highly selective private. Those schools are doing fine and don’t need your money. If you can’t attend, someone else will. The only schools that need your money are those who can’t find student replacements. Those schools are pretty far down the ranking list, certainly not the Top 100.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

To all the pitchforks out there. You do realize most colleges are struggling financially at the moment. Revenue generating activities are non-existent (no tickets sales from college games) and you really can't charge room and board if your students are learning remotely. All of a sudden, your average/below average full-pay out-of-state student is a very attractive option. I do not think colleges care about where your kid was accepted ED, they want your money.

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Anonymous wrote:DD had 1190 (poor test taker) and didn't submit scores, 3.9 GPA, balanced extra-curriculars, summer internship in a research institution for the past two years, employed since 16yo, and highly selective competitive summer (with stipend) camps since middle school. We're in NOVA. Applied based on interest/major, location/campus, and affordability (key factor to graduate debt free).

In:
VA Tech-ED
UW-Madison
UC-Boulder
WVU
CSU with generous merit

Denied:
Ohio State

Still waiting on her top choice and it's not UVA (she didn't like the vibe there...sorry DCUM). We did hire a college counselor to assist her with applications, because she does not want to listen to her parents.

She had to go to VT if she ED

You're correct. It's VA Tech unless her top choice comes through.....her decision...tough choice.

no its not her decision, she made the decision when she applied and was accepted ED to Virginia Tech... that's where she's going regardless.

PP here. Her top choice is a private highly selective school. If she decides to go to her top choice, we will lose a deposit at Tech...that's all.

Very unethical. If your DD applied ED to a school, and if the school accepted her, she must go there. That is how it works.

Anonymous wrote:How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

Are you asking how the college enrolls their target number of students every year? They have yield algorithms, though the algorithms have basically blown up this year, broken, due to differences from prior years (test optional, corona). Yield = total enrolled as a percent of total accepted.

For ED, their yield will be close to 100%. They subtract ED acceptances off the goal enrollment number. Then the remaining seats are divided by predicted yield to figure out how many can be accepted RD. And of course it gets a lot more complicated than that, with waitlists, timing, all sorts of factors.

Handing these numbers, consulting for enrollment management, is a billion dollar industry. It is a big deal. I don't think even they know what to expect this year. My rough understanding is that colleges not only have aggregate yield algorithms, but some attach a number to a particular applicant that predicts whether they will attend. This is where interest that can be quantified into clicks and such comes into the picture.

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Anonymous wrote:How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

Because it is very easy to see the historical stats for each college on Naviance. I can tell you for any school how many they've accepted and how many have attended since the school opened 11 years ago. I assume, that data goes back farther for more a established HS.

I just re-read your question and maybe you're not asking about the number of acceptances from a HS... so if that's the case, ignore!

Anonymous wrote:How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

Because it is very easy to see the historical stats for each college on Naviance. I can tell you for any school how many they've accepted and how many have attended since the school opened 11 years ago. I assume, that data goes back farther for more a established HS.

How do they admit the same number when the applications are split up between ED, EA, and RD?

ED gets acceptance before the RD deadline.

They also don’t know who is going to withdraw because of getting in ED elsewhere.

I just don’t think it’s logistically possible to hit the same number of admissions from one school when there are three deadlines and ED at others schools as a factor. And how is anyone so certain that the same numbers gets in every year? Have you been tracking this for years?

PP, please get on the phone and call your kid’s counselor to get clarification of the ED commitment. No one here is jealous that your kid got in anywhere. It’s the “playing games” and unethical nature of not planning to fulfill the binding commitment that you, your kid and your counselor made when submitting an ED application. Colleges need to manage their class size and accepting people out of the ED pool is an important part of that and acceptance rates are huger BECAUSE they don’t have to do calculations on what percent will actually come. If your kid applied ED with no intention of actually attending if accepted into a different “top choice,” that is unethical and deeply unfair to the college and to your kid’s high school. Google what happens when people lie and don’t fulfill their SIGNED and binding agreement. Your kid can be blackballed, have acceptances yanked from all schools, some high school can deny sending final transcripts or future transcripts. The punishment is harsh because it’s a big deal. You are acting very flippant - but it’s not something to be flippant about.

Good luck and hope your kid is excited about the ED acceptance because that’s where he/she has to go (unless the school will release you for financial aid reasons).

It literally says right on the VA Tech ED page that ED is a “binding offer of admission, meaning you must attend.” Not sure how much more clearly this could have been communicated.

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.

You signed an electronic agreement, as did your student and high school counselor, that communicated it.

PP here--are you guys upset that my low stat kid got into good schools? Sure sounds like it.

Yes, your kid is low stat. NEVER would have gotten into Wisc and others in non Covid year but whatever, consider your kid lucky. But ED is not optional. The high school can refuse to send final transcripts to another college making her unable to register for classes. Tech can get your acceptance at another school rescinded. It is very serious consequences. It is not optional and “wait and see if she gets in top choice” You already made the decision that Tech was top choice. How do you not get this?

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.

You signed an electronic agreement, as did your student and high school counselor, that communicated it.

PP here--are you guys upset that my low stat kid got into good schools? Sure sounds like it.

wow ummm i realize that you could be yanking our chain, could be one of those high school kids who likes to come on and troll this board... so maybe I'm falling into a troll's trap BUT, why did your kid apply early decision to Tech and not early action? I ASSUME that it is because there is a higher rate of acceptance during the ED round. Do you often sit around and wonder why that is? or are you smart enough to know that the reason they accept a higher percentage of ED is because they are committing to go there? So... no i could not care less where your kid goes and what her stats are BUT you are trying to game the system that EVERYONE else has pledged to follow, barring any significant financial issue coming up preventing enrollment. THAT is what I take issue with.

Frankly at this point, I hope she does get into the top choice and i hope it's pulled from her, along with there Tech admission, due to this.

^ I find that hard to believe. My kid did ED to UVA and not only did I have to sign a parent Ed agreement, but his counselor did as well AND when he was accepted, we had yet another to sign.

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.

You signed an electronic agreement, as did your student and high school counselor, that communicated it.

PP here--are you guys upset that my low stat kid got into good schools? Sure sounds like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.

You signed an electronic agreement, as did your student and high school counselor, that communicated it.

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Anonymous wrote:Um no not overthinking. Are you sure your daughter was accepted ED and not EA? If she was accepted ED, she has an obligation to go there absent highly unusual circumstances. I can't imagine a high school where the counselor would support ignoring an ED obligation - it will look very bad for the high school, and as a PP said, it could result in all of her other applications denying/withdrawing acceptances.

PP-Yes. I am sure.

Parent of student accepted ED, you, and your student, and high school counselor, all signed an agreement that all other apps would be withdrawn upon ED acceptance. Are you aware of this?

PP here....no it was not communicated to us. We have withdrawn all of the applications already except for her top choice.