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Anonymous wrote:I live in Lake Linganore. Used to be a great community. What were forests, hiking trails and vast green spaces are now being bulldozed by Ryan Homes. Linganore, like a lot of Frederick, is changing- for the worse.

I just bought one of those Ryan homes. In every neighborhood, there are always the "oh-so-wise, old-timers" who lament every time there is a new development and someone else invading their space. There are still plenty of green spaces in the area. There were no trails where Ryan is building. Furthermore, they are bringing in amenities that you never had before.

They're building on the Indian Caves. You're supporting it.

Can you tell me a little bit about this?

Quoting myself. I googled and found this article. That’s really sad that there are no protections for ancient and archaeological sites on private land.

AKE LINGANORE -- Thousands of years ago, American Indians found shelter in a cave near what is now Boyers Mill Road.

Past archeological studies have turned up many artifacts, such as spears and pottery, from a period covering more than 5,000 years.

The cave's history and unique topography continue to draw local residents today. Yet many of its fans fear the historical site faces ruin in the near future.


The cave sits on property owned by Land Stewards, a Virginia-based developer that is building about 4,000 homes in the Lake Linganore area. Sites targeted for homes include about 11.8 acres surrounding the cave. Houses have already been built near the cave by previous developers.

John Clarke, on behalf of Land Stewards, said the company has never had any plans to disturb the cave.

Residents, however, worried that building houses on a bluff overlooking the cave will shatter the site's atmosphere and appeal, whether or not the cave itself stays intact. They formed a group, Save the Caves, and began lobbying Land Stewards to reconsider its development plans.

The two groups met Tuesday to negotiate possible solutions.

Land Stewards is not required to negotiate but is willing to do so because it wants to be a part of the community for years to come, said Robert Wilcox, president of the firm. He said the company was willing to consider all options except not developing at all in the area around the cave.

The company recently pulled a preliminary plan outlining potential development that it had submitted earlier this year to Frederick County Division of Planning. Residents worried that the plan showed 16 building lots extending nearly to the edge of cave's roof and the surrounding bluff. They stressed their desire that the forest and open space surrounding paths to the cave remain intact.

"We will tie ourselves to trees," joked resident Claudia Allemang.

They said the forest and giant boulders that lead to the cave contribute to its character. If those are removed and replaced with luxury homes, its natural feel of the past will be lost, they said.

The cave was the sixth archeological site in Frederick County registered with the state, said Richard Hughes of Maryland Historical Trust. The earliest known study of the cave took place in 1935 by archeologist E. Ralston Goldsborough. More comprehensive study was undertaken in the 1950s by a Myersville resident, Spencer Geasey.

"I spent three years excavating what was then called the Boyers Mill Rock Shelter," Mr. Geasey said. "... I found numerous stones, spears, arrowheads, scrapers, knives. I found a few animal bones, the remains of what they had eaten."

Due to the damp conditions of the cave, only about 400 bones were recovered, he said. The bones -- primarily of deer, raccoon and turkey -- were identified by the Carnegie Museum of Art in Pittsburgh.

Despite the archeological significance, not much can be done to protect it, he said. Gary Garrison of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, a division of the U.S. Department of Interior, said no federal protections exist for historical sites on privately owned land. Richard Hughes of the Maryland Historical Trust said state or federal regulations that protect some sites probably wouldn't apply to the Boyers Mill Rock Shelter unless it was a burial site

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/archives/cave-in/article_721e3cd8-d8dc-55f1-83e7-64cb0768b8c1.html

So they are not ACTUALLY building on the graves and it's not Ryan. Got it. You're just worried about the esthetics.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the original question, I don't know yet but will be moving to Landsdale in Monrovia, coming from MoCo. Looking forward to a younger community, good amenities, good schools. I am hoping there will be even more diversity with the new developments.

There are too many people on DCUM who think a long commute is the end of the world.

You too will become one of those people after you’ve done the Linganore - DC commute for a year or two. Good luck.

On a good day, that’s a rough commute. Landsdale and Urbana don’t have it as bad, since they are close to 270. Linganore is another story. Tons of new houses going in there and no infrastructure to support it. To get out of Lake Linganore, you have to take a bunch of winding country roads. These roads aren’t equipped to handle the influx of traffic. Even worse, these roads are not safe.

Um, I live in Linganore and it's literally 10 minutes to Urbana and never have I been backed up or experienced traffic on Mussetter/Ijamsville road which is the winding road you're talking about to get there. How are they not safe? Know what you're talking about before you comment.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the original question, I don't know yet but will be moving to Landsdale in Monrovia, coming from MoCo. Looking forward to a younger community, good amenities, good schools. I am hoping there will be even more diversity with the new developments.

There are too many people on DCUM who think a long commute is the end of the world.

You too will become one of those people after you’ve done the Linganore - DC commute for a year or two. Good luck.

On a good day, that’s a rough commute. Landsdale and Urbana don’t have it as bad, since they are close to 270. Linganore is another story. Tons of new houses going in there and no infrastructure to support it. To get out of Lake Linganore, you have to take a bunch of winding country roads. These roads aren’t equipped to handle the influx of traffic. Even worse, these roads are not safe.

Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

Anonymous wrote:You can definitely find a lovely house in Frederick/New Market/Linganore for ~500k. I have family that lives there, and have met many of the neighbors (in one of the Linganore neighborhoods). You may be in for a small culture shock moving there, depending on where in MoCo you are coming from. The folks that I have met all seem like fairly nice people - they are hardworking, heavily involved in their kids sports, etc. But they are provincial. Very little interest in the world outside of their bubble. They are mostly white, don't travel internationally (or if they do, its to something like a resort in the DR), know few people who aren't exactly like them. Every driveway has at least one 7-seat SUV. Black, asian, and (some) immigrants are tolerated, but god help you if you are muslim. You will always be seen and treated as "other". Just something to keep in mind if you decide to make the move.

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Anonymous wrote:1 time a week from Frederick to DC is a lot worse than you think it is. If it was once a month then it's not bad. Just know that if you do this, he will got to bed early the night before, get home super late the day he goes into the office, and when he gets home he's going to be exhausted/wiped out. He won't be able to do anything other than sit around for a couple hours, have dinner, then go to bed. I did this sort of commute before. Sure one day a week isn't horrible like five would be but I absolutely dreaded that day. When I got home, I was grouchy and I didn't have the mental strength to do anything other than basically stare at the TV. I was getting up at 4:00, leaving the house at 5:00 and getting home at 6:00.

Just because you - a low energy person - is incapable of doing anything besides veg out doesn't mean everyone else will. I know loads of folks that commute from Frederick, upper moco, and even Hagerstown(!!) with some frequency to DC and none of them describe their life as this. Can the commute be exhausting? Sure, but not quite to the extent you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

I prefer cows over a sea of townhomes.

So move to the middle of nowhere and get cows. Who is stopping you?

Nobody's stopping me. Simply stating my preference. Thank you for your concern.

Thank you for your completely nonsensical response. Townhomes are a necessity. Not everyone can afford to live in a SFH especially around here. But we hear you, Karen. Being around less fortunate reminds you that poorer people exist.

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Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

I prefer cows over a sea of townhomes.

So move to the middle of nowhere and get cows. Who is stopping you?

Nobody's stopping me. Simply stating my preference. Thank you for your concern.

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Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

I prefer cows over a sea of townhomes.

So move to the middle of nowhere and get cows. Who is stopping you?

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Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

I prefer cows over a sea of townhomes.

Anonymous wrote:I bought knowing that Landsdale would feed into Linganore and I am perfectly fine with it. I do wish the diversity was higher but I expect it to keep rising with the new MoCo transplants. One of my favorite college roommates went to Linganore (slingawhore, she called it) and I recall teasing her about the cows across the street.

I hope that Fred Co will be challenging enough for my gifted child. Does anyone know in this thread, how are the special education services?

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the original question, I don't know yet but will be moving to Landsdale in Monrovia, coming from MoCo. Looking forward to a younger community, good amenities, good schools. I am hoping there will be even more diversity with the new developments.

There are too many people on DCUM who think a long commute is the end of the world.

You too will become one of those people after you’ve done the Linganore - DC commute for a year or two. Good luck.

On a good day, that’s a rough commute. Landsdale and Urbana don’t have it as bad, since they are close to 270. Linganore is another story. Tons of new houses going in there and no infrastructure to support it. To get out of Lake Linganore, you have to take a bunch of winding country roads. These roads aren’t equipped to handle the influx of traffic. Even worse, these roads are not safe.

Lansdale is built on a tiny farm road that was bucolic even 5 years ago. You have signed up for overcrowded schools (Green Valley wasn’t meant to absorb all those kids and the Urbana schools are their own problem- even with a new elementary), a characterless neighborhood (no pool, no club, just a bunch of tract homes on old farmland), worsening traffic into Urbana, no walkability to anywhere, and tiny lots. Enjoy your commute into Urbana (which used to be a dream but is now a traffic issue unto itself) and down the hell of 270.

Lansdale still has it better than Linganore in terms of getting to 270. I've lived in Linganore for 20+ years and the roads in and out of Linganore have gone from bad to worse. The new residents don't seem to mind. They get here and enjoy their new digs, then end up complaining that there's no Trader Joe's or they have to drive 20 minutes to get a latte. Developers listen, and then in a couple years there are strip malls surrounding Linganore, turning it into another Germantown, which is ironic, because if they loved Germantown so much, they should have stayed there.

My sister moved from Moco (Richard Montgomery cluster) to Landsdale and commuted into DC twice a week. She quit. It's just a terrible commute and not easy to get to 270 at all. She loves her new home and likes her neighbors but still complains about the school; and how it's not challenging enough; and yes, not diverse enough. Her kid's school (Linganore HS) has like 2% black kids. Now she's complaining and saying that she should've just stayed or moved to Clarksburg or Urbana for a newer home.