Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 22:28     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Ironic that many of the comments here are so hateful. Most of these people have simply been left behind. The economy and the country as a whole is slowly changing, and they are still stuck in their small town watching Fox News. To what extent is it their fault? I have my own opinion, but if you want to fault them, there are other groups that are doing much worse and are just as hateful.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 22:27     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Women are 60-40 to men in college.

Women in STEM, girls on the run (meanwhile obesity rate among boys is just as great), feminization of the American s book system(boys can’t sit still young- classrooms are designed for females in the early years), etc.

Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 21:57     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Some White males who are doing poorly financially are basically angry with any one doing better than them. It can be other college educated White males, it can be any minority, it can be immigrants, it can be women.

Some White males are especially angry with White women for denying them sex (inCel movement), divorcing them and getting alimony and child-support, expecting them to do housework or childcare. They feel that they are being emasculated by White women and not being given the position of alpha males. White males do not lobby at workplace to make the workplace more equitable for anyone - but especially White female.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 21:51     Subject: White Male Anger
Yawn. Sounds like a group of men that need to get a life.

I do not understand the amount of energy people invest in worrying about everyone else and issues that are largely inconsequential to their own daily lives.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 21:48     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
It's just the latest SJW knee jerk dismissal of people with different views. More of the usual elitist liberal democrats dumping on working class people.

There's a pretty good recent Newsweek analysis of the situation, FYI.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 20:58     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s not a very sophisticated presentation of how some young white men feel, OP.

Of course power should not reside solely among white men. Those days are gone for good (in every sense).

You can’t honestly deny that some of the rhetoric from the left isn’t basically expressed as “white men have been in power too long, so it is time to give others a turn.” And often this is expressed by white women blind to their own privilege.

So that puts some young white men in a box. They personally may have enjoyed privilege, but they may be getting the message not just that they should respect the abilities and potential of others, but also sit down and stand back at the game of life so others can take charge. They may be in their 20s and 30s but they are already being treated like “dead white males” in certain circles.

It’s a shame there isn’t a more nuanced way to deal with them. It’s a shame to older liberals to see so many younger Proud Boy types. The tension isn’t going to abate simply because Trump leaves if the goal of the left is make everyone as uncomfortable in their own skin as oppressed minorities may have been. I’m not sure this country has much of a future with that mindset.

I completely disagree that the left is doing this...but even if I accept your premise, what is your solution? Why is it "the left"'s responsibility to solve the problem of a society being structured to privilege white men? What did anyone think was going to happen? Oppressed people should not have to take the feelings of their oppressors into account!

Unless all white men think that the status quo is fine, why aren't more of them proposing solutions that aren't so oppressive to white men?


Some are; they tend to be drowned out or told they should be silent because the “lived experiences” of others deserve more prominence.

When the subtext of the oppressed is revenge, not equality or opportunity, no one should be surprised if we end up with civil strife. And because too many of these men end up with an adult version of selective mutism, they just end grumbling to their families or expressing themselves in unproductive ways.


So many generalizations: "drowned out or told they should be silent" by who? Who exactly are you quoting here?

And honestly, given how difficult access to "equality or opportunity" has been for some, you'd think that there would be widespread support for more equality and opportunity in this country if "revenge" is seen as the next step.


I gather you see no irony in your dogged insistence on having the last word here, even when you’re intentionally twisting what was written.

Not surprised, but even less interested in engaging with you further.


No problem. I do hope you realize that more than one person has been commenting here.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 20:57     Subject: White Male Anger
We had one none-white male president and people lost their damn minds.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 20:28     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s not a very sophisticated presentation of how some young white men feel, OP.

Of course power should not reside solely among white men. Those days are gone for good (in every sense).

You can’t honestly deny that some of the rhetoric from the left isn’t basically expressed as “white men have been in power too long, so it is time to give others a turn.” And often this is expressed by white women blind to their own privilege.

So that puts some young white men in a box. They personally may have enjoyed privilege, but they may be getting the message not just that they should respect the abilities and potential of others, but also sit down and stand back at the game of life so others can take charge. They may be in their 20s and 30s but they are already being treated like “dead white males” in certain circles.

It’s a shame there isn’t a more nuanced way to deal with them. It’s a shame to older liberals to see so many younger Proud Boy types. The tension isn’t going to abate simply because Trump leaves if the goal of the left is make everyone as uncomfortable in their own skin as oppressed minorities may have been. I’m not sure this country has much of a future with that mindset.

I completely disagree that the left is doing this...but even if I accept your premise, what is your solution? Why is it "the left"'s responsibility to solve the problem of a society being structured to privilege white men? What did anyone think was going to happen? Oppressed people should not have to take the feelings of their oppressors into account!

Unless all white men think that the status quo is fine, why aren't more of them proposing solutions that aren't so oppressive to white men?


Some are; they tend to be drowned out or told they should be silent because the “lived experiences” of others deserve more prominence.

When the subtext of the oppressed is revenge, not equality or opportunity, no one should be surprised if we end up with civil strife. And because too many of these men end up with an adult version of selective mutism, they just end grumbling to their families or expressing themselves in unproductive ways.


So many generalizations: "drowned out or told they should be silent" by who? Who exactly are you quoting here?

And honestly, given how difficult access to "equality or opportunity" has been for some, you'd think that there would be widespread support for more equality and opportunity in this country if "revenge" is seen as the next step.


I gather you see no irony in your dogged insistence on having the last word here, even when you’re intentionally twisting what was written.

Not surprised, but even less interested in engaging with you further.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 20:18     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s not a very sophisticated presentation of how some young white men feel, OP.

Of course power should not reside solely among white men. Those days are gone for good (in every sense).

You can’t honestly deny that some of the rhetoric from the left isn’t basically expressed as “white men have been in power too long, so it is time to give others a turn.” And often this is expressed by white women blind to their own privilege.

So that puts some young white men in a box. They personally may have enjoyed privilege, but they may be getting the message not just that they should respect the abilities and potential of others, but also sit down and stand back at the game of life so others can take charge. They may be in their 20s and 30s but they are already being treated like “dead white males” in certain circles.

It’s a shame there isn’t a more nuanced way to deal with them. It’s a shame to older liberals to see so many younger Proud Boy types. The tension isn’t going to abate simply because Trump leaves if the goal of the left is make everyone as uncomfortable in their own skin as oppressed minorities may have been. I’m not sure this country has much of a future with that mindset.

I completely disagree that the left is doing this...but even if I accept your premise, what is your solution? Why is it "the left"'s responsibility to solve the problem of a society being structured to privilege white men? What did anyone think was going to happen? Oppressed people should not have to take the feelings of their oppressors into account!

Unless all white men think that the status quo is fine, why aren't more of them proposing solutions that aren't so oppressive to white men?


Some are; they tend to be drowned out or told they should be silent because the “lived experiences” of others deserve more prominence.

When the subtext of the oppressed is revenge, not equality or opportunity, no one should be surprised if we end up with civil strife. And because too many of these men end up with an adult version of selective mutism, they just end grumbling to their families or expressing themselves in unproductive ways.


So many generalizations: "drowned out or told they should be silent" by who? Who exactly are you quoting here?

And honestly, given how difficult access to "equality or opportunity" has been for some, you'd think that there would be widespread support for more equality and opportunity in this country if "revenge" is seen as the next step.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 19:24     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s not a very sophisticated presentation of how some young white men feel, OP.

Of course power should not reside solely among white men. Those days are gone for good (in every sense).

You can’t honestly deny that some of the rhetoric from the left isn’t basically expressed as “white men have been in power too long, so it is time to give others a turn.” And often this is expressed by white women blind to their own privilege.

So that puts some young white men in a box. They personally may have enjoyed privilege, but they may be getting the message not just that they should respect the abilities and potential of others, but also sit down and stand back at the game of life so others can take charge. They may be in their 20s and 30s but they are already being treated like “dead white males” in certain circles.

It’s a shame there isn’t a more nuanced way to deal with them. It’s a shame to older liberals to see so many younger Proud Boy types. The tension isn’t going to abate simply because Trump leaves if the goal of the left is make everyone as uncomfortable in their own skin as oppressed minorities may have been. I’m not sure this country has much of a future with that mindset.

I completely disagree that the left is doing this...but even if I accept your premise, what is your solution? Why is it "the left"'s responsibility to solve the problem of a society being structured to privilege white men? What did anyone think was going to happen? Oppressed people should not have to take the feelings of their oppressors into account!

Unless all white men think that the status quo is fine, why aren't more of them proposing solutions that aren't so oppressive to white men?


Some are; they tend to be drowned out or told they should be silent because the “lived experiences” of others deserve more prominence.

When the subtext of the oppressed is revenge, not equality or opportunity, no one should be surprised if we end up with civil strife. And because too many of these men end up with an adult version of selective mutism, they just end grumbling to their families or expressing themselves in unproductive ways.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 19:24     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

WTH TV shows are you watching?
And good for your son, He gets to see women and lead roles and being powerful and having autonomy and being multi dimensional multi layered fully fleshed out human beings good for him
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 19:16     Subject: White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and that's why they shoot up sorority houses and gyms. Dumb ugly men feel like a loss of unearned privilege is oppression.

This!!
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 19:08     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do think that our schools are not set up to serve young boys well. The social emotional curriculum is almost completely absent. Emotional reactions like frustration and anger are punished instead of supported like tears. And most boys (and some girls) really do need to move a lot to be able to learn. The really high verbal expectations early also favor girls and boys are at risk of seeing themselves as “bad kids” because they can’t meet the increasingly inappropriate demands.

Many teachers also shame boys for showing emotions like tears past K-1.

There is a similar set of gendered expectations for girls that is a separate topic. But as a parent of a boy and girl school has been harder on my son behaviorally.


Most of what you ascribe to school, is actually a parenting issue.

+1 my boy is doing fine in school, *much* better than my girl. He doesn't feel suppressed. As a matter of fact, DS is in the debate team at school, and DS said that he has noticed the old white male judges (parents) are biased against minority girls. He said he noticed how they don't like when minority girls are aggressive/assertive in the debates, but when a white male debates the same way, the older white male judges give these boys points for being assertive.

I told DS that this same exact thing happens in the workplace. DS said he was glad he was born a boy as they have it easier.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 19:03     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
Anonymous wrote:I do think that our schools are not set up to serve young boys well. The social emotional curriculum is almost completely absent. Emotional reactions like frustration and anger are punished instead of supported like tears. And most boys (and some girls) really do need to move a lot to be able to learn. The really high verbal expectations early also favor girls and boys are at risk of seeing themselves as “bad kids” because they can’t meet the increasingly inappropriate demands.

Many teachers also shame boys for showing emotions like tears past K-1.

There is a similar set of gendered expectations for girls that is a separate topic. But as a parent of a boy and girl school has been harder on my son behaviorally.


Most of what you ascribe to school, is actually a parenting issue.
Anonymous
Post 12/15/2020 18:57     Subject: Re:White Male Anger
I do think that our schools are not set up to serve young boys well. The social emotional curriculum is almost completely absent. Emotional reactions like frustration and anger are punished instead of supported like tears. And most boys (and some girls) really do need to move a lot to be able to learn. The really high verbal expectations early also favor girls and boys are at risk of seeing themselves as “bad kids” because they can’t meet the increasingly inappropriate demands.

Many teachers also shame boys for showing emotions like tears past K-1.

There is a similar set of gendered expectations for girls that is a separate topic. But as a parent of a boy and girl school has been harder on my son behaviorally.