Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 14:05     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

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Anonymous wrote:I get why the teachers don’t trust DCPS. As a parent, I don’t trust them either.


You trust the union more? With all the union reps writing on here that their sole interest is defending teachers, and the kids' interests are irrelevant? I have my complaints with DCPS, but at least they actually have a statutory/regulatory mandate to educate children. And for that matter, my personal experiences with DCPS central (getting an IEP when my child was in private daycare) were WORLDS better than how the local school teachers and admin dealt with the situation.


You seem to have a misunderstanding of the role of a union. DCPS has a statutory mandate to educate children. WTU, as a public union, has a statutory duty to defend the interests of its membership (meaning teachers, etc.). Like it or not, the needs of the students are not part of its mandate.


Exactly my point. Why is PP apparently aligning herself with WTU?
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 14:05     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I get why the teachers don’t trust DCPS. As a parent, I don’t trust them either.


You trust the union more? With all the union reps writing on here that their sole interest is defending teachers, and the kids' interests are irrelevant? I have my complaints with DCPS, but at least they actually have a statutory/regulatory mandate to educate children. And for that matter, my personal experiences with DCPS central (getting an IEP when my child was in private daycare) were WORLDS better than how the local school teachers and admin dealt with the situation.


You seem to have a misunderstanding of the role of a union. DCPS has a statutory mandate to educate children. WTU, as a public union, has a statutory duty to defend the interests of its membership (meaning teachers, etc.). Like it or not, the needs of the students are not part of its mandate.


We have talked so often here about the differences between police unions and other unions, including public service unions. Most unions have a social welfare component and don't punch down. My former union did in fact work with children and there is NO WAY that anyone would have offered or approved a union action that attempted to get what we wanted by hurting children. Unions need the support of the public, constituents, and other unions. Hurting children is not a good look.

And yeah, maybe LEGALLY they are allowed to hurt children this way. That has nothing to do with whether or not is moral. Unions usually try to be a force for social good, not short-sighted selfishness.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 13:44     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I get why the teachers don’t trust DCPS. As a parent, I don’t trust them either.


You trust the union more? With all the union reps writing on here that their sole interest is defending teachers, and the kids' interests are irrelevant? I have my complaints with DCPS, but at least they actually have a statutory/regulatory mandate to educate children. And for that matter, my personal experiences with DCPS central (getting an IEP when my child was in private daycare) were WORLDS better than how the local school teachers and admin dealt with the situation.


You seem to have a misunderstanding of the role of a union. DCPS has a statutory mandate to educate children. WTU, as a public union, has a statutory duty to defend the interests of its membership (meaning teachers, etc.). Like it or not, the needs of the students are not part of its mandate.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 12:17     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:I get why the teachers don’t trust DCPS. As a parent, I don’t trust them either.


You trust the union more? With all the union reps writing on here that their sole interest is defending teachers, and the kids' interests are irrelevant? I have my complaints with DCPS, but at least they actually have a statutory/regulatory mandate to educate children. And for that matter, my personal experiences with DCPS central (getting an IEP when my child was in private daycare) were WORLDS better than how the local school teachers and admin dealt with the situation.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 12:16     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.



I'm a former DCPS teacher and wrote about that exact issue on this thread: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/930030.page

They are unwilling to state clear policies. If they did and wrote them down and everyone signed - we could start to build trust. (eg. Students who refuse to wear a mask will be sent home after the 3rd violation they will be moved to permanent DL, X% of students and teachers will be randomly tested at each school, If there are more than X positive cases at a school, it will be moved to DL for two weeks.)


What makes you think they are unwilling to do that? The fact is, the policies are evolving. The previous policy cross-referenced DOH policies for all childcare facilities ... but that still wasn't adequate. And of course, it was never the lack of written policies/mask compliance rules that was the sticking point for WTU. If you wanted WTU to negotiate that level of specifics, talk to your union.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 12:08     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.



I'm a former DCPS teacher and wrote about that exact issue on this thread: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/930030.page

They are unwilling to state clear policies. If they did and wrote them down and everyone signed - we could start to build trust. (eg. Students who refuse to wear a mask will be sent home after the 3rd violation they will be moved to permanent DL, X% of students and teachers will be randomly tested at each school, If there are more than X positive cases at a school, it will be moved to DL for two weeks.)
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 11:39     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

I get why the teachers don’t trust DCPS. As a parent, I don’t trust them either.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 11:36     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the round-table. About half of the people were for and half against reopening, including a children's hospital manager/doctor, who was pro-reopening, as evidence was that it could be done safely. Councilmen Grosso and Mendelsohn asked why New York is opening school fully five days a week, while DCPS has not been able to make a lot of progress. Council members Allen, White and Silverman expressed a hostility toward reopening schools and blamed the Chancellor for how poorly the process has gone. White in particular wanted a commitment from the Chancellor to not opening schools for all students this year and asked for that repeatedly.


thanks for the summary. super disappointed in Charles Allen and Silverman. Hopefully Grosso’s view will be shared by Henderson.


Grossing? The man who is now going to be a partner at a firm so he can lobby for charter schools?


I’m sorry, what? Do you think the anti-charter school stuff (driven by the union) has ANY persuasive o
power now? One consequence of the WTU behavior is to make me look much more favorably on charters.


I don’t really care about about anti charter stuff. My kids attend a charter school. I’m just pointing out he is going to become a lobbyist in a month when he leaves the council for charters. He has been a terrible lead on schools on the council. He has been useless. I actually think he should have excused himself from this.

But go ahead and attack me as some kind of shrill.


So what is the relevance of him being a charter lobbyist? I’m glad he’s at least speaking sensibly about schools. Maybe the fact that he doesn’t have to think about WTU votes now should tell you something about why the other councilmembers are insisting on schools staying closed.



My kids charter is closed. I’m unclear how that is the unions fault.


This gets asked all the time on DCUM. The answers are cray-cray. You need to just ignore this little problem with their alternate reality where everyone (politicians, charters, etc.) are all deathly afraid of the WTU. Just go with it and watch the same small group of crazies whip themselves up thread after thread. Think of it like performance art.


Obviously the charter teachers can ride on the coat-tails of WTU and their supporters, to a certain extent. As long as the council supports keeping DCPS schools closed, the charter admins are subject to VERY strong political pressure to do the same. At the same time, it's not a complete parallel, since charters were in fact willing to open up "learning hubs" to a much greater and faster extent than DCPS. If you don't get that, you're just not a very astute observe. Sorry!
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 11:00     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I watched the round-table. About half of the people were for and half against reopening, including a children's hospital manager/doctor, who was pro-reopening, as evidence was that it could be done safely. Councilmen Grosso and Mendelsohn asked why New York is opening school fully five days a week, while DCPS has not been able to make a lot of progress. Council members Allen, White and Silverman expressed a hostility toward reopening schools and blamed the Chancellor for how poorly the process has gone. White in particular wanted a commitment from the Chancellor to not opening schools for all students this year and asked for that repeatedly.


thanks for the summary. super disappointed in Charles Allen and Silverman. Hopefully Grosso’s view will be shared by Henderson.


Grossing? The man who is now going to be a partner at a firm so he can lobby for charter schools?


I’m sorry, what? Do you think the anti-charter school stuff (driven by the union) has ANY persuasive o
power now? One consequence of the WTU behavior is to make me look much more favorably on charters.


I don’t really care about about anti charter stuff. My kids attend a charter school. I’m just pointing out he is going to become a lobbyist in a month when he leaves the council for charters. He has been a terrible lead on schools on the council. He has been useless. I actually think he should have excused himself from this.

But go ahead and attack me as some kind of shrill.


So what is the relevance of him being a charter lobbyist? I’m glad he’s at least speaking sensibly about schools. Maybe the fact that he doesn’t have to think about WTU votes now should tell you something about why the other councilmembers are insisting on schools staying closed.



My kids charter is closed. I’m unclear how that is the unions fault.


This gets asked all the time on DCUM. The answers are cray-cray. You need to just ignore this little problem with their alternate reality where everyone (politicians, charters, etc.) are all deathly afraid of the WTU. Just go with it and watch the same small group of crazies whip themselves up thread after thread. Think of it like performance art.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:55     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.



I think they know this but don't want to antagonize teachers/WTU any further.


The underlying issue is that the WTU is willing to deprive kids of an education as a negotiating tactic. Yes this puts DCPS is a very hard position (one shared by many other urban school districts) but I’m not sure if it’s fair to blame DCPS for that.


And this is exactly why they're banned from striking. Hurting children is not a negotiating tactic.


Actually I would guess that the no strike clause was probably part of the negotiations that resulted in one of of the highest paid salary schedules for teachers in the country. Maybe not, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:54     Subject: Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:All I'm hearing is some teenagers who are worried about returning to in-person school... None of them acknowledging that returning to in-person school would be optional, only for those who choose that option.


Those silly kids should learn from your adult example and whine the same things day after day, week after week on an anonymous forum. How dare they stand up, publicly identify themselves and take a stand. Ridiculous!
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:51     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.



I think they know this but don't want to antagonize teachers/WTU any further.


The underlying issue is that the WTU is willing to deprive kids of an education as a negotiating tactic. Yes this puts DCPS is a very hard position (one shared by many other urban school districts) but I’m not sure if it’s fair to blame DCPS for that.


And this is exactly why they're banned from striking. Hurting children is not a negotiating tactic.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:28     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.





I want to agree with you, but there is a need for leadership. People are afraid. When European countries reopened schools they made attendence obligatory, because they were concerned people would keep their children home due to fear. I am not saying that school should be obligatory in DC, but in Europe people generally accept the situation, because the leadership said it was safe, opened, and it is safe. There is no less general distrust of the government in Europe than in DC (states lied in Europe about masks at first and contact tracing, testing and isolation has failed). The question is whether it is safe to open schools. If it is then they should open.


It’s not just distrust. In the US for some reason, decisions about schools are driven by a kind of context-less hysteria that often has little to do with the actual interests of educating kids. For example all the absurd “school shooter” exercises that spread all over the country. Policy has an entrepeneurial aspect in thr US that means that a loud interest group appealing to fear is often setting the pace. The dynamics that resulted in terrifying children with school shooter drills is exactly the same one that has resulted in depriving kids of an education for what looks to be over a whole school year due to fear of a virus that has basically minimal health impact on kids. In the US we LIKE to be scared.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:08     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.





I want to agree with you, but there is a need for leadership. People are afraid. When European countries reopened schools they made attendence obligatory, because they were concerned people would keep their children home due to fear. I am not saying that school should be obligatory in DC, but in Europe people generally accept the situation, because the leadership said it was safe, opened, and it is safe. There is no less general distrust of the government in Europe than in DC (states lied in Europe about masks at first and contact tracing, testing and isolation has failed). The question is whether it is safe to open schools. If it is then they should open.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2020 10:00     Subject: Re:Anyone watching the DC Council Return to in-person school hearing?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from watching the roundtable is that, while the professionals agree that kids should be in schools, the people who will actually be inside the school buildings - families and teachers - are scared. There is longstanding mistrust of DCPS, starting well before Ferebee. He has done nothing to improve the situation. On school reopening, DCPS hasn't brought the people directly affected to the table to inform the planning. This is how they end up with generally unworkable ideas that get pushback.

When Feebee was asked in yesterday's roundtable why DCPS can't seem to reopen like other cities' school districts, his response was about staffing. The real, underlying problem is that stakeholders lack trust and confidence in DCPS. And until Ferebee and Bowser own up to that and address it, this situation will continue to be a disaster.



I think they know this but don't want to antagonize teachers/WTU any further.


The underlying issue is that the WTU is willing to deprive kids of an education as a negotiating tactic. Yes this puts DCPS is a very hard position (one shared by many other urban school districts) but I’m not sure if it’s fair to blame DCPS for that.