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Anonymous wrote:

Study of effect of imposing and lifting #COVID19 measures in 131 countries. Reopening schools was associated with a 24% increase in the reproduction number (R) after 28 days. This was the second-largest increase, after lifting bans of gatherings (25%).

At this point, my only reaction to articles like this is "ok, good to know"

I am tired of people acting as if we are in some Sci-Fi movie where someone infected drops dead instantly and there is no treatments and no person ever, ever recovers.

Actually that is what a pandemic basically is. We have some treatments, none great, no vaccine yet and many are getting sick and many die. Fortunately many also recover.

But, to dismiss this information and demand we go to school is alarming.

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(Sorry for being so juvenile, but when it comes to several thousands more deaths due to hysterics wanting schools to open because they can't deal with their kids, despite scientists like me cautioning them strongly, I'm very angry.)

I don't care what you said. Just because we are having a rise in cases does not mean schools should close. Schools should not have ever closed. They are worth the risk. I do not need childcare by the way, nor do I want to get rid of my kids. Education is worth the risk.

Kids are still receiving education. It never stopped. The fact that you don’t like that it’s not in-person is immaterial.

Come on. Of course distance learning is not a real education. The fact that you can't admit that is the problem here.

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Study of effect of imposing and lifting #COVID19 measures in 131 countries. Reopening schools was associated with a 24% increase in the reproduction number (R) after 28 days. This was the second-largest increase, after lifting bans of gatherings (25%).

At this point, my only reaction to articles like this is "ok, good to know"

I am tired of people acting as if we are in some Sci-Fi movie where someone infected drops dead instantly and there is no treatments and no person ever, ever recovers.

Anonymous wrote:Not at all surprised. Then you have mom groups refusing to test because they’re desperate for childcare for their packs of kids.

Again with this story line? Yes, same stories months ago. They get clicks. The guidelines have always been in place. They aren't new. They were not just created.

They are overwhelmed because they are likely hospitalizing everyone at this point with very little discrimination much like NYC did in the early days. They just don't have the experience dealing with the virus yet.
They will get there quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Fascinating lack of concern for those who may get seriously ill or even die from this virus, which is out of control in our country right now.

It’s not out of control in DC.

Not even close. Anyone with any sense of reading comprehension sees that rates in schools are high in areas where community transmission is high. Low where it's low (like here).

Come ON, people. No evidence that schools are transmitting.

Anonymous wrote:Well, it makes sense/isn't surprising. Children can spread and get the virus, and schools bring larger groups of people together. My sense from these threads is that some people will never give credence, or will try to explain away, any study suggesting schools might be contributing to the problem (probably out of fear schools will remain closed).

I think some spread in connection with schools is obvious. The real question is how much spread or risk a community will tolerate to open schools.

This is the "common sense" school of scientific understanding. I know it feels right to say "but this group of people inside a space is dangerous so all groups of people inside spaces are also equally dangerous." The fact is that it doesn't actually follow, because we have to look at the characteristics of these groups, the types of spaces they are in, the activities they are engaged in, and the precautions they take. It turns out that when you look at two groups--the social gatherings that drive spread and schools--they actually have different R0s, risks, transmission rates, etc.

This is why you can't always make these leaps that SEEM logical. A lot of science and research seems logical on the surface, but when you look at it more in depth, you find that the nuances really matter.

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating lack of concern for those who may get seriously ill or even die from this virus, which is out of control in our country right now.

It’s not out of control in DC.

Here is an article by the study’s author. Her position: schools are low-risk as long as community transmission is low. Community transmission is low in this area.

https://theconversation.com/amp/children-might-play-a-bigger-role-in-covid-transmission-than-first-thought-schools-must-prepare-144947?__twitter_impression=true

Anonymous wrote:Fascinating lack of concern for those who may get seriously ill or even die from this virus, which is out of control in our country right now.

Fascinating lack of concern for those who may have serious mental health crises or even commit suicide and die, which is out of control in our country right now.

Well those can also be explained away...not enough data, not enough time to study, etc. Again, there are studies on both sides, and both sides explain away the others' data. It doesn't meet the laugh test to say there is no spread or no potential spread in connection with schools. It may not be significant, in your opinion, but others disagree

Again, it comes down to risk tolerance and priorities

Anonymous wrote:Well, it makes sense/isn't surprising. Children can spread and get the virus, and schools bring larger groups of people together. My sense from these threads is that some people will never give credence, or will try to explain away, any study suggesting schools might be contributing to the problem (probably out of fear schools will remain closed).

I think some spread in connection with schools is obvious. The real question is how much spread or risk a community will tolerate to open schools.

It's because of the numerous studies that show that schools do not increase community transmission. That's why.

Fascinating lack of concern for those who may get seriously ill or even die from this virus, which is out of control in our country right now.

Anonymous wrote:It's just a fascinating lack of concern for parents who work (often in person) and have young kids and can't afford to have nannies/tutors/whatever. This is true for a wide swath of parents, particularly singe mothers.

Yep. Fascinating in a sick sort of way ...

Well, it makes sense/isn't surprising. Children can spread and get the virus, and schools bring larger groups of people together. My sense from these threads is that some people will never give credence, or will try to explain away, any study suggesting schools might be contributing to the problem (probably out of fear schools will remain closed).

I think some spread in connection with schools is obvious. The real question is how much spread or risk a community will tolerate to open schools.

Correlation
is
not
causation.

The authors acknowledge that there is no causal relationship. Study doesn't tell you anything.