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Anonymous wrote:W&L seems more of a reach than W&M, even without the scholarship angle.

Agree, I don't think ED is necessary at W&M (unless it's the student's clear first choice), those stats are plenty good for RD. My kid's counselor told him W&M was a safety with similar grades, tho a higher test score.

Those stats are a safety for a boy applying to WM, not a girl.

Anonymous wrote:1400 SAT IS NOT LOW!

Get off DCUM where everyone's child is gifted and scores in the 1500+ range. Seriously.

Statisticslly it is low for W&M. SCHEV reports last years entering class had a 1510 at the 75 th percentile. The median is 1410, so she’s even belie that. Applying to W&M has become a crapshoot.

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Anonymous wrote:Did she take AP Chem or AP Bio? AP Physics 1 is more like Honors Physics as it has no calculus.

I have never heard of AP Physics 1 being described as Honors Physics. It focuses on conceptual understanding and is very challenging for most kids.

AP Physics 1 and Physics 2 have replaced Honors Physics at the DCUM "middling" FCPS HS my kids graduated from.

The OP mentioned "mechanic" - Likely meaning Physics C - Mechanics - one of two Physics Cs that are Calc-based. Some HSes offer one of the two Cs for an entire year, others offer both, one semester each. The C's are the College-level Physics courses.

Note... If she is actually taking AP Physics 1/2 and Calc AB, she's way behind typical FCPSers headed to Med School... They'd be more likely to be taking at least on Physics C or AP Chem and BC Calc or Multi-var.

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Anonymous wrote:Did she take AP Chem or AP Bio? AP Physics 1 is more like Honors Physics as it has no calculus.

I have never heard of AP Physics 1 being described as Honors Physics. It focuses on conceptual understanding and is very challenging for most kids.

AP Physics 1 and Physics 2 have replaced Honors Physics at the DCUM "middling" FCPS HS my kids graduated from.

The OP mentioned "mechanic" - Likely meaning Physics C - Mechanics - one of two Physics Cs that are Calc-based. Some HSes offer one of the two Cs for an entire year, others offer both, one semester each. The C's are the College-level Physics courses.

Anonymous wrote:Did she take AP Chem or AP Bio? AP Physics 1 is more like Honors Physics as it has no calculus.

I have never heard of AP Physics 1 being described as Honors Physics. It focuses on conceptual understanding and is very challenging for most kids.

I'm not sure what restorative medicine is, but presuming it requires going to medical school, it won't really make any difference between Brown, W&M, and W&L. Medical school admissions is largely based on stats - GPA and MCAT. The school will not really make much difference for the vast majority of medical schools.

Unless your child raises SAT/ACT, admission to Brown would be very unlikely without a hook like athletics. Likewise, the full ride Johnson Scholarships at W&L (or the 1693 Scholarship at W&M) would also not be likely. They are targeted at enticing Ivy-caliber students.

Johnson Scholarships go to 10% of W&L students, so they tend to pull up stats a bit. Other than that, W&L and W&M would have pretty similar numbers. I think she would have reasonable chance at both, but not for merit. W&M has good aid in-state for low up to lower middle income families. You would have the TAG, I believe for W&L if in state.

These schools are quite different. Brown has an open curriculum and tends liberal even for a U.S. college. W&L is known as being more conservative (again for a U.S. college), while W&M is more in-between (probably center left). Brown and W&M have over 4X as many students as W&L, which is an SLAC.

Honestly, both W&M and W&L are excellent undergraduate schools. You really don't get much better than they are for quality of education. To get merit, she might have to go to a much lower quality school.

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Anonymous wrote:Wowzers. I got a 1430 on my SAT and it was like the talk of my high school (about how high it was)! My kids are never getting into college!

How old are you PP? Back in the day (for me, graduating HS late 80s) a 1430 was a much better score than it is now.

Yeah, I had a 1370 and it was the highest SAT score in my grade at an UMC suburban high school. 1982. Times have changed.

The SAT has been renormed up a couple of time since then. Biggest was in the 1990s, when scores went up about 90 points on average.

Every kid I know who's gotten into Brown from the DC area has a hook. Legacy, URM, athlete, close family friend on the Board. I'm sorry but I really think Brown is unlikely.

But she will almost certainly get into WM ED. Virginia Wesleyan offers that scholarship to every top student in Virginia - we got that phone call too. If you have the prepaid plan, you don't need a full ride.

If she likes WM, she should apply there - it's a great school and you have the prepaid plan.

I didn’t read all responses, but any reason VCU is off the table? Checks the medicine box and if Brown is her favorite Ivy in terms of vibes, seems like a better fit than CNU or Virginia Wesleyan.

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Anonymous wrote:Any hooks? Intended major? Live in NOVA? Have you looked at school scattergrams? Would her coursework get the
"most rigorous" box checked by the counselor? Sorry, the SAT is low and if not all AP exams are 5s with that GPA makes me wonder about grade inflation.

Focus on recommendations and essays.

No obvious hooks except wining a major competitive world language scholarship. But she hasn't discovered the cure for cancer or anything.

NSLI-Y? If so, GMU’s honors college loves NSLI-Y alums because it allows them to boost their stats of students getting the CLS scholarship

Anonymous wrote:1400 SAT IS NOT LOW!

Get off DCUM where everyone's child is gifted and scores in the 1500+ range. Seriously.

What's the chance of 1400 SAT to Brown ED?

1400 SAT IS NOT LOW!

Get off DCUM where everyone's child is gifted and scores in the 1500+ range. Seriously.

Anonymous wrote:Wait-- is it the W&M or the Brown rules holding you back from applying to both?

I'm pretty sure Brown lets you apply to state schools (but not ED to other private schools). I agree with others you should abide by their rules (if you receive an offer, you take it). But it sounds like Brown is reach and you'd definitely take it if admitted. So I don't think applying to both violates Brown's rules. (I don't know anything about W&M.)

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OP, first, CONGRATULATIONS - that is a terrific record.

Your DC is looking a little too low. You should not be thinking about CNU or WL, even as safeties. Brown is likely a stretch, but early at WM should certainly be within reach.

Wait-- is it the W&M or the Brown rules holding you back from applying to both?

I'm pretty sure Brown lets you apply to state schools (but not ED to other private schools). I agree with others you should abide by their rules (if you receive an offer, you take it). But it sounds like Brown is reach and you'd definitely take it if admitted. So I don't think applying to both violates Brown's rules. (I don't know anything about W&M.)