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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

The fact that it is DESIGNED to increase other populations and that its EFFECT will be to reduce the Asian American population doesn't mean that it's DESIGNED to reduce it. Not everything is about you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

Stop playing the victim. It is designed to promote a student body that is more representative of the student population in Fairfax County and other participating jurisdictions.

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Look at the pie chart from the proposal and see the huge reduction in Asian American students and increase in all the rest (other than more than one race which is usually half Asian) including white students and you will see what the intended outcome of this proposal is. It is clearly designed to reduce the Asian American population and affirm the anti-Asian sentiment you see all over this board.

Anonymous wrote:"Holistic" allows you to take into account race.

Hence the discrimination against Asian students since this whole scheme is designed to reduce Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students. It will be challenged in the Court and struck down as unconstitutional.

"Holistic" allows you to take into account race.

It says applicants will be placed into a lottery after a "holistic review". WHat does that mean?

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Unless the student information sheet ask the applicant to disclose their race. The student information sheet or essay/questionnaire should not reveal the race or identity of the students.

Anonymous wrote:I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

Doesn't matter, judges/justices do whatever they want to do anyway.

The good thing about the lottery proposal is that if it gets shot down, the clear alternative at that point is to shut down TJ as a magnet. That would absolutely survive any legal challenge.

I don't see anything in the lottery approach that discriminates against Asian kids in a manner that would support an equal protection argument. It may not favor them as much.

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Anonymous wrote:Under the new proposal, we can sending the message to the kids that hard work does not matter, life is random. No more try harder and don't give up ...

Under the current policy, we are sending the message to non-Asian kids that they aren't as smart, don't work as hard, and don't deserve the same opportunities as the Asian kids who attend the right middle school feeders, know the right teachers, and take the best prep courses.

Again, not all Asian kids go to Curie and prep. My kid didn't, and she was not from Carson or Longfellow and certainly didn't know the "right teachers". Stop the hate!!

I would say that the hate is on display when the immediate response to the proposal is to suggest that certain kids don't belong at TJ and never will.

This change will be struck down by the court:

"Conservatives see their best shot in decades to get rid of race in college admissions, and they’re taking it.

As protesters across the U.S. rage against policies and practices that target African Americans, Latinos and other minorities, some of the nation’s most prestigious universities are fighting a raft of legal challenges accusing them of unfairly weighting the admissions process against Asian-American and White applicants.

Yale and Harvard are set to respond this week to two of those challenges as two more make their way through the courts. The multiple efforts to defeat race-conscious admissions, including by President Donald Trump’s Justice Department, could spur an increasingly conservative Supreme Court to revisit the process, even as the U.S. is embroiled in its fiercest struggle over race and privilege since the 1960s.

The Justice Department has threatened to sue Yale unless it agrees to stop considering race. “Unlawfully dividing Americans into racial and ethnic blocs fosters stereotypes, bitterness, and division,” the government wrote to the university in August. Yale, which has vowed to “vigorously defend” a process “endorsed repeatedly by the Supreme Court,” is due to respond this week.

On Wednesday, Harvard goes before a federal appeals court over a case that it engages in “racial balancing” by holding Asian-American applicants to a higher standard than other minority groups. Harvard denies discriminating and won the case in federal district court last fall."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/harvard-and-yale-face-broad-attack-on-race-conscious-admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Under the new proposal, we can sending the message to the kids that hard work does not matter, life is random. No more try harder and don't give up ...

Under the current policy, we are sending the message to non-Asian kids that they aren't as smart, don't work as hard, and don't deserve the same opportunities as the Asian kids who attend the right middle school feeders, know the right teachers, and take the best prep courses.

Again, not all Asian kids go to Curie and prep. My kid didn't, and she was not from Carson or Longfellow and certainly didn't know the "right teachers". Stop the hate!!

I would say that the hate is on display when the immediate response to the proposal is to suggest that certain kids don't belong at TJ and never will.

Why are you fighting this idea though? Certain kids don't belong at TJ and never will. I would say even that MOST kids don't belong at TJ. Asian, black, white, it doesn't matter. TJ is for a special kind of kid, and most kids aren't that kind.

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Anonymous wrote:Under the new proposal, we can sending the message to the kids that hard work does not matter, life is random. No more try harder and don't give up ...

Under the current policy, we are sending the message to non-Asian kids that they aren't as smart, don't work as hard, and don't deserve the same opportunities as the Asian kids who attend the right middle school feeders, know the right teachers, and take the best prep courses.

Again, not all Asian kids go to Curie and prep. My kid didn't, and she was not from Carson or Longfellow and certainly didn't know the "right teachers". Stop the hate!!

I would say that the hate is on display when the immediate response to the proposal is to suggest that certain kids don't belong at TJ and never will.

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And changes only made because white applications were dwindling since they didn’t want to go to school with Asian American kids. Black and Hispanic kids have aways been underrepresented but this proposal comes to appease white families. See the podcast Nice, White Families, episode 3.

Not true.
Look at what else is being discussed today at the forums. This is all about BLM.

I agree with PP. This is about white families. When you look at the historical admissions data in the packet, black and Hispanic kids have always been underrepresented - their graph lines look quite steady - and nobody cared. The only demonstrable change that spurred this action (which started before George Floyd was killed and BLM became a national discussion) is the significant rise in Asian applications/acceptances and the significant drop in white applicationss/acceptances - the data tells the whole story.

Suggest you go watch the work session going on right now. It is all about "identify." Specifically, there has been too much white identity in Virginia History. History used to be about events and the people involved in those events. Now, it is no longer history being taught but sociology.

TJ admissions is not about getting more white kids. Just look at the people driving the change. Fairfax NAACP, for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Under the new proposal, we can sending the message to the kids that hard work does not matter, life is random. No more try harder and don't give up ...

Under the current policy, we are sending the message to non-Asian kids that they aren't as smart, don't work as hard, and don't deserve the same opportunities as the Asian kids who attend the right middle school feeders, know the right teachers, and take the best prep courses.

It's not like they don't allow non-Asian kids into the right middle school feeders you know, and the best prep places will gladly take non-Asian money.