Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 09:53     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:Look. Nothing wrong with trying at 4 months or 6 months or whatever you decide. Just have an open mind and if it's not working after a fully consistent week, do bloodwork.
I'm the pp with 2 easily sleep trained kids and one w severe anemia who didn't. I don't believe it harms kids who are ready for it. It does become abusive when it turns into months of crying by the child and /or is used to just ignore the child .
But none of that is likely in your case. So good luck.


The problem is everyones answer to a kid who doesnt sleep 7-7 is to sleep train and just be consistent. Waking regularly is a protection against SIDS. Waking at night is biologically normal. Sleep is developmental and babies are not robots.

If you come from the idea that babies MUST sleep through the night at x age or x weight thats where the problem comes in. Its funny that no sleep training moms are labeled as militant or terrorist when literally the reason we choose not to cosleep is because all babies are not the same and dont develop at the same rate. We dont expect our children to sleep through. The ones who are ready, do it without any intervention.


I'm p.o. and I agree except that sometimes intervention is necessary. My anemic child slept much better once their hemoglobin hit normal levels. (Turned out they were vitamin c deficient as well, so a bit of trial and error).
Crying it out works when a kid is ready for it to work. But I don't believe my sleep trained kids would have slept thru the night if I hadn't tried cry it out with them consistently. In both cases within 3 nights they were sleeping thru the night.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 09:50     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Look. Nothing wrong with trying at 4 months or 6 months or whatever you decide. Just have an open mind and if it's not working after a fully consistent week, do bloodwork.
I'm the pp with 2 easily sleep trained kids and one w severe anemia who didn't. I don't believe it harms kids who are ready for it. It does become abusive when it turns into months of crying by the child and /or is used to just ignore the child .
But none of that is likely in your case. So good luck.


The problem is everyones answer to a kid who doesnt sleep 7-7 is to sleep train and just be consistent. Waking regularly is a protection against SIDS. Waking at night is biologically normal. Sleep is developmental and babies are not robots.

If you come from the idea that babies MUST sleep through the night at x age or x weight thats where the problem comes in. Its funny that no sleep training moms are labeled as militant or terrorist when literally the reason we choose not to cosleep is because all babies are not the same and dont develop at the same rate. We dont expect our children to sleep through. The ones who are ready, do it without any intervention.



You don't sleep train to try to get kids to sleep through the night without waking up. You sleep train so that they're able to calm themselves down and go back to sleep *when* they wake up.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 09:05     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Anonymous wrote:Look. Nothing wrong with trying at 4 months or 6 months or whatever you decide. Just have an open mind and if it's not working after a fully consistent week, do bloodwork.
I'm the pp with 2 easily sleep trained kids and one w severe anemia who didn't. I don't believe it harms kids who are ready for it. It does become abusive when it turns into months of crying by the child and /or is used to just ignore the child .
But none of that is likely in your case. So good luck.


The problem is everyones answer to a kid who doesnt sleep 7-7 is to sleep train and just be consistent. Waking regularly is a protection against SIDS. Waking at night is biologically normal. Sleep is developmental and babies are not robots.

If you come from the idea that babies MUST sleep through the night at x age or x weight thats where the problem comes in. Its funny that no sleep training moms are labeled as militant or terrorist when literally the reason we choose not to cosleep is because all babies are not the same and dont develop at the same rate. We dont expect our children to sleep through. The ones who are ready, do it without any intervention.

Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 06:10     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Look. Nothing wrong with trying at 4 months or 6 months or whatever you decide. Just have an open mind and if it's not working after a fully consistent week, do bloodwork.
I'm the pp with 2 easily sleep trained kids and one w severe anemia who didn't. I don't believe it harms kids who are ready for it. It does become abusive when it turns into months of crying by the child and /or is used to just ignore the child .
But none of that is likely in your case. So good luck.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 02:53     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.


So you were a troll. I see.



I thought OP's question was very clear----she wants to know if she should sleep train now or wait two months. That's not trolling at all.

Four months is fine, OP. Before you do, is it possible for someone to hold baby for some of his day naps? Not sure what kind of help you have right now or if you're at home in a position where that would be possible (baby carry while working). But, it might just be a really bad overtired cycle. If you can get longer naps in, maybe the nights might not be so rough.


OP here. We have tried this and it didn’t make much of a difference. He also is not a big fan of the carrier.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 02:51     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.



Why did you even post a question about this then? You asked a question and I had a right to respond. You should know that many parents think sleep training is crappy parenting. As you can see from this thread, they are shot down and bullied into being quiet, but they are out there in your life, where they are also quiet about about your inhumane parenting choices.


OP here. I asked to see from those in favor. It was never a “ should I sleep train or not?”. It was “when should I sleep train?”. One response is fine but you have basic been bullying almost every parent on here who doesn’t follow your parental philosophy. You have been acting as though your parenting is superior and that your views are much better. You’re the troll who is making this thread into attacking women who don’t share your views. Many scientist back up sleep training and it’s supported by our pediatrician. I don’t care whether some don’t like it. Some parents look down on others for formula feeding. Should those parents not feed their baby? Your opinion is irrelevant to me. I’m sleep training because of the help from other moms who have said they started at 4 months old.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 00:40     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.


So you were a troll. I see.



I thought OP's question was very clear----she wants to know if she should sleep train now or wait two months. That's not trolling at all.

Four months is fine, OP. Before you do, is it possible for someone to hold baby for some of his day naps? Not sure what kind of help you have right now or if you're at home in a position where that would be possible (baby carry while working). But, it might just be a really bad overtired cycle. If you can get longer naps in, maybe the nights might not be so rough.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 00:23     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.


So you were a troll. I see.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2020 00:22     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.



Why did you even post a question about this then? You asked a question and I had a right to respond. You should know that many parents think sleep training is crappy parenting. As you can see from this thread, they are shot down and bullied into being quiet, but they are out there in your life, where they are also quiet about about your inhumane parenting choices.
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Post 09/11/2020 00:18     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:4 months and it was the best parenting decision we made. Babies need good quality sleep to thrive. It is cruel to let them be over tired all the time. Took 3 nights.


OP here. He was a happy baby when he was getting quality sleep 0-3 months and then it just got bad. He is always cranky and rarely happy now because he is so tired. Even when he was 0-1 and waking up every 2-3 hours to eat, he was still happy because he was getting sleep. He had such a mood change and was always happy when awake when he started sleeping 5 and then 8 hour stretches and getting good naps. Now he will cry or fuss almost all day. He will yawn and run his eyes but then he won’t sleep very long. He went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep.

We will do a gentle Ferber method with the 3, 5, 10 minute check-ins, etc.


The same thing going on during the day is also going on at night, most likely teething. What's wrong with rocking a baby to sleep for 20-30 minutes? Jesus, that's too much comfort to give your own baby?


Because it's not 20-30 minutes. I would have had NO PROBLEM rocking my baby for 20-30 minutes. But I did that, she woke up as soon as she hit the crib. Then she would wake up after 45 minutes, wash rinse repeat all night. Frankly you are a misogynist who expects women to sit and rock their babies all night long and never sleep.


Huh? Are you the PP above, who said your baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep"??? That's the post I was responding to, super genius. If that's you, then why are you rewriting yourself now? And if it's not you, what are you responding for?


Because I had to SLEEP TRAIN. What would you have had me do if you were in my situation?


Well I don't know what your situation is. Are you the poster I already quoted or not?


You seem to be under the impression that people sleep train because they can't be bothered to rock their kid for 20-30 minutes to get them to sleep. This isn't why people sleep train. There was no amount of rocking or soothing that would have helped my first sleep. We tried everything. Do you think I enjoy hearing my child cry? I did it because she couldn't put herself back to sleep and was waking up every 45 minutes for months. I'm asking you, what would you have had me do? Sleep training worked and helped her sleep which is vital for brain development. You seem to have all the answers but people like you are so g-d convinced of your own moral superiority you can't even think straight. Believe me, the higher the horse the greater the fall. You don't understand other people's situations and should just zip it.


You are incoherent. I was responding to the poster who said their baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep". That's either you or it's not. Which is it -- was that you or wasn't it?


NP more ad hominem attacks! Can't win on merit huh.


I have no idea who that poster is -- you? -- or what their issue is, other than obvious guilt at having "sleep trained" their tiny baby. I was responding to a poster. I quoted the poster several times. If you can't follow the logic, then there's nothing else to be said.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2020 23:47     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
OP here. Can you all stop fighting? It’s like little kids. The anti sleep training lady needs to stop posting on here. I don’t care how you feel or your thoughts on it. We are going to sleep train regardless if it’s at 4 months or 6 months. You do you, and others will do what they think is best. No one needs that superior complex in here. We will be sleep training.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2020 22:27     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Anonymous wrote:Don’t let the terrorist win. Sleep train now.


Lol I love you
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2020 22:26     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
Don’t let the terrorist win. Sleep train now.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2020 22:24     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:4 months and it was the best parenting decision we made. Babies need good quality sleep to thrive. It is cruel to let them be over tired all the time. Took 3 nights.


OP here. He was a happy baby when he was getting quality sleep 0-3 months and then it just got bad. He is always cranky and rarely happy now because he is so tired. Even when he was 0-1 and waking up every 2-3 hours to eat, he was still happy because he was getting sleep. He had such a mood change and was always happy when awake when he started sleeping 5 and then 8 hour stretches and getting good naps. Now he will cry or fuss almost all day. He will yawn and run his eyes but then he won’t sleep very long. He went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep.

We will do a gentle Ferber method with the 3, 5, 10 minute check-ins, etc.


The same thing going on during the day is also going on at night, most likely teething. What's wrong with rocking a baby to sleep for 20-30 minutes? Jesus, that's too much comfort to give your own baby?


Because it's not 20-30 minutes. I would have had NO PROBLEM rocking my baby for 20-30 minutes. But I did that, she woke up as soon as she hit the crib. Then she would wake up after 45 minutes, wash rinse repeat all night. Frankly you are a misogynist who expects women to sit and rock their babies all night long and never sleep.


Huh? Are you the PP above, who said your baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep"??? That's the post I was responding to, super genius. If that's you, then why are you rewriting yourself now? And if it's not you, what are you responding for?


Because I had to SLEEP TRAIN. What would you have had me do if you were in my situation?


Well I don't know what your situation is. Are you the poster I already quoted or not?


You seem to be under the impression that people sleep train because they can't be bothered to rock their kid for 20-30 minutes to get them to sleep. This isn't why people sleep train. There was no amount of rocking or soothing that would have helped my first sleep. We tried everything. Do you think I enjoy hearing my child cry? I did it because she couldn't put herself back to sleep and was waking up every 45 minutes for months. I'm asking you, what would you have had me do? Sleep training worked and helped her sleep which is vital for brain development. You seem to have all the answers but people like you are so g-d convinced of your own moral superiority you can't even think straight. Believe me, the higher the horse the greater the fall. You don't understand other people's situations and should just zip it.


You are incoherent. I was responding to the poster who said their baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep". That's either you or it's not. Which is it -- was that you or wasn't it?


There are multiple people responding to you because you are wrong. If you only want to have conversations with people who agree with you you should consider not being wrong.
Anonymous
Post 09/10/2020 22:21     Subject: Sleep Train At 4 Months Old?
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Anonymous wrote:4 months and it was the best parenting decision we made. Babies need good quality sleep to thrive. It is cruel to let them be over tired all the time. Took 3 nights.


OP here. He was a happy baby when he was getting quality sleep 0-3 months and then it just got bad. He is always cranky and rarely happy now because he is so tired. Even when he was 0-1 and waking up every 2-3 hours to eat, he was still happy because he was getting sleep. He had such a mood change and was always happy when awake when he started sleeping 5 and then 8 hour stretches and getting good naps. Now he will cry or fuss almost all day. He will yawn and run his eyes but then he won’t sleep very long. He went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep.

We will do a gentle Ferber method with the 3, 5, 10 minute check-ins, etc.


The same thing going on during the day is also going on at night, most likely teething. What's wrong with rocking a baby to sleep for 20-30 minutes? Jesus, that's too much comfort to give your own baby?


Because it's not 20-30 minutes. I would have had NO PROBLEM rocking my baby for 20-30 minutes. But I did that, she woke up as soon as she hit the crib. Then she would wake up after 45 minutes, wash rinse repeat all night. Frankly you are a misogynist who expects women to sit and rock their babies all night long and never sleep.


Huh? Are you the PP above, who said your baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep"??? That's the post I was responding to, super genius. If that's you, then why are you rewriting yourself now? And if it's not you, what are you responding for?


Because I had to SLEEP TRAIN. What would you have had me do if you were in my situation?


Well I don't know what your situation is. Are you the poster I already quoted or not?


You seem to be under the impression that people sleep train because they can't be bothered to rock their kid for 20-30 minutes to get them to sleep. This isn't why people sleep train. There was no amount of rocking or soothing that would have helped my first sleep. We tried everything. Do you think I enjoy hearing my child cry? I did it because she couldn't put herself back to sleep and was waking up every 45 minutes for months. I'm asking you, what would you have had me do? Sleep training worked and helped her sleep which is vital for brain development. You seem to have all the answers but people like you are so g-d convinced of your own moral superiority you can't even think straight. Believe me, the higher the horse the greater the fall. You don't understand other people's situations and should just zip it.


You are incoherent. I was responding to the poster who said their baby "went from putting himself to sleep to needing to be rocked for 20-30 minutes to go to sleep". That's either you or it's not. Which is it -- was that you or wasn't it?


NP more ad hominem attacks! Can't win on merit huh.