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Anonymous wrote:We have guns, and because of my husbands job most people know we have them.m. I am huge hypocrite because my husband is one of the few people I feel safe with having a gun. Most of our friends are anti-gun and agree that my husband is one of the few people they feel safe with owning a gun. He has had extensive training, is an expert marksman and nothing is more important to him than gun safety. You won’t see him wearing any ridiculous 3 percenters shirts or pretending be some kind of sheepdog either.

Same. Plus Dh regularly travels to the Middle East and has to carry. We are highly educated. Hhi300k

Anonymous wrote:DH owns multiple rifles because he’s a hunter. I’ve always been resistant to his buying a handgun. In an effort to convince me, he’s been telling me about all his friends who have been buying guns in the last 6 months or so, including men with wives who previously adamantly opposed having guns in the house and are now fully on board. You’d be surprised at who owns them, even many liberals who would never publicly admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:i have two shotguns, one semi-auto. Both stored in a safe, ammo stored separately.

I am 10k times more concerned about someone in my household getting into my gun safe and hurting themselves or someone else than I am about random rioters crashing my street. Thats why i keep the ammo separately.

I live in DC. I hate the NRA. I hate Trump. I vote Democratic. But i also love guns and shooting at targets.

I'm also am a big fan of that show "Alone" where people compete to survive in hostile environments like the arctic. The last person standing wins $500k. Contestants are NOT allowed to have guns. Almost always, the people who carry guns in their every day life are the first to drop out. The gun carriers just can't handle not having a weapon with them during a months long competition. It turns out that owning a gun can make you irrationally fearful. It makes the gun owners very weak contestants.

Wow you did a statistical analysis of the contestants on Alone? BS. A lot of the contestants who do reasonably well are able to use a bow and arrow like an expert, or they just luckily get put in a location where the fish are plentiful and good biters. Trust me, if they allowed guns, the best shooter would be the winner of every season. It's really weird that you would even connect gun ownership to the show Alone.

Anonymous wrote:i have two shotguns, one semi-auto. Both stored in a safe, ammo stored separately.

I am 10k times more concerned about someone in my household getting into my gun safe and hurting themselves or someone else than I am about random rioters crashing my street. Thats why i keep the ammo separately.

I live in DC. I hate the NRA. I hate Trump. I vote Democratic. But i also love guns and shooting at targets.

I'm also am a big fan of that show "Alone" where people compete to survive in hostile environments like the arctic. The last person standing wins $500k. Contestants are NOT allowed to have guns. Almost always, the people who carry guns in their every day life are the first to drop out. The gun carriers just can't handle not having a weapon with them during a months long competition. It turns out that owning a gun can make you irrationally fearful. It makes the gun owners very weak contestants.

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Anonymous wrote:We have guns, and because of my husbands job most people know we have them.m. I am huge hypocrite because my husband is one of the few people I feel safe with having a gun. Most of our friends are anti-gun and agree that my husband is one of the few people they feel safe with owning a gun. He has had extensive training, is an expert marksman and nothing is more important to him than gun safety. You won’t see him wearing any ridiculous 3 percenters shirts or pretending be some kind of sheepdog either.

I guess I should add none of our guns were recent purchases, and our kids have never shot a gun. If my kids wanted to when they was older and went through the gun safety classes, my husband would take them to the range, but as it stand they are still young and impulsive. They would never be able to touch a gun in our home since ours are stored properly in a safe, and in a room that the kids don’t even access to. However they have been taught what to do if they ever see a gun at someone’s house or a friends tries to show them one.

I'm also married to someone who carries a gun for work. He comes home, it goes into a biometric safe, the ammo goes into a different safe. Both safes are in a space that we'd notice if the kids went in, and are out of reach. I don't love that there's a gun in the house, but I trust my DH.

Do you have kitchen knives? Household cleaners? Prescription or non prescription medicine? Flammables? Power tools? Paint, thinner, car fluids?

Do you worry about those inanimate objects self-locomoting and forming evil intent to harm you or yours? So what is it about “a gun in the house?” Guns are inanimate objects with a utilitarian use, dangerous if misused. Irrational fear of weapons calls for education.

Don’t be a moron. A gun has one purpose – to injure or kill. I say this as a gun owner. A child can’t pick up a knife and accidentally kill their sibling or parent. But a child can accidentally access to a gun that is improperly stored and accidentally kill someone.
Flammable substances are an issue. That’s why parents should keep them in a place where children don’t have access. Otherwise a child can accidentally burn down a house and kill people.

A child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife? Really? Are all your knives butter knives?

As for safe, secure storage, absolutely. The comment was directed to a PP’s professed concern about “having a gun in the house,” in and of itself, not improper storage.

And as for guns having no utility other than killing, the recreational shooting industry and community (trap, skeet, sporting clays, formal and informal target shooting and competition, and even multiple Olympic events) would beg to differ.

No, a child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife. It takes a physical action of stabbing someone. That’s not accidental. They might pick it up and drop it and cut someone. Even if they threw it, it might injure someone, but not very unlikely to kill. But that is very different than accidentally squeezing the trigger on a gun that they think is a toy or is unloaded and killing a family member or friend.
Most people that shoot recreationally also hunt. The primary purpose of the weapon is again, to kill.

First, any child old enough to lift and operate a firearm is quite strong enough to cause grievous damage with a knife. And penetrating injury is not required for a fatal wound. A five year old waving a knife as a “sword” could easily inflict a fatal slash wound.

Second, i don’t know where you get your statistic about “most” gun owners. I am acquainted with lots of recreational shooters. The very vast majority are not hunters.

LEO wife here.

Last year there were multiple cases where 2 year olds killed themselves or other people with a loaded gun left unattended. A two year old is very unlikely to kill someone with a knife they find unattended. I imagine that such an accident would be reported in the media, and yet they aren't, even though there are more 2 year olds living in houses with knives than houses with guns.

In my household there are some things that are locked up or out of reach when our kids are little. When we had toddler and preschoolers, our cleaning supplies were in a cabinet up high. The knife drawer had a latch on it. There was a slide lock on the door to the garage where the antifreeze and the starter for the barbecue live. Scissors lived on top of the fridge.

As my kids got older, some of those precautions went away. We have 6 to 13 year olds right now, and I no longer have those locks on the stove, my kids go into the garage by themselves to get the soccer goal, and they set the table with knives unsupervised.

But there are four things where I continue to take precautions, because I know that they have a tendency to attract older kids, and I know that accidents are still common in those age groups. In all of these situations, I take double precautions, because I want a back up plan.

1) Pools. We don't have one, but we've stayed in houses with one, and I won't stay if there isn't a lock that the kids can't access unless they are with an adult. I have also made sure my kids can swim. I don't rely on just one of those, I rely on both.

2) Powertools. My DH likes to wood work, we have things like a table saw that could hurt a child very badly, and I've got a few kids who love to woodwork. My husband has spent a lot of time with our kids teaching safety, but the woodshop is still locked, and the kids don't go in without Dad or another adult.

3) Opiods: We have a family member who receives palliative care and uses opiods. In this case, I don't just worry about the kids, I worry about myself making an error in the middle of the night when I'm tired. To prevent that, I have a time when I'm awake and not distracted and I draw up the day's doses in syringes that are labeled. DH checks them. Any meds I'm not using are stored in a safe. The meds I am using that day are in a lockbox by the bed.

4) Guns: Guns are always locked up except that moment when DH is coming or going, or if he's doing something specific where his attention is on his gun (e.g. cleaning it, unloading it). My kids have also been taught what to do if they find a gun anywhere. It's not one thing or another.

See, I am consistent.

Safe firearm storage is the right thing. What is irrational is defining firearms as somehow uniquely dangerous or ontologically evil.

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Anonymous wrote:We have guns, and because of my husbands job most people know we have them.m. I am huge hypocrite because my husband is one of the few people I feel safe with having a gun. Most of our friends are anti-gun and agree that my husband is one of the few people they feel safe with owning a gun. He has had extensive training, is an expert marksman and nothing is more important to him than gun safety. You won’t see him wearing any ridiculous 3 percenters shirts or pretending be some kind of sheepdog either.

I guess I should add none of our guns were recent purchases, and our kids have never shot a gun. If my kids wanted to when they was older and went through the gun safety classes, my husband would take them to the range, but as it stand they are still young and impulsive. They would never be able to touch a gun in our home since ours are stored properly in a safe, and in a room that the kids don’t even access to. However they have been taught what to do if they ever see a gun at someone’s house or a friends tries to show them one.

I'm also married to someone who carries a gun for work. He comes home, it goes into a biometric safe, the ammo goes into a different safe. Both safes are in a space that we'd notice if the kids went in, and are out of reach. I don't love that there's a gun in the house, but I trust my DH.

Do you have kitchen knives? Household cleaners? Prescription or non prescription medicine? Flammables? Power tools? Paint, thinner, car fluids?

Do you worry about those inanimate objects self-locomoting and forming evil intent to harm you or yours? So what is it about “a gun in the house?” Guns are inanimate objects with a utilitarian use, dangerous if misused. Irrational fear of weapons calls for education.

Don’t be a moron. A gun has one purpose – to injure or kill. I say this as a gun owner. A child can’t pick up a knife and accidentally kill their sibling or parent. But a child can accidentally access to a gun that is improperly stored and accidentally kill someone.
Flammable substances are an issue. That’s why parents should keep them in a place where children don’t have access. Otherwise a child can accidentally burn down a house and kill people.

A child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife? Really? Are all your knives butter knives?

As for safe, secure storage, absolutely. The comment was directed to a PP’s professed concern about “having a gun in the house,” in and of itself, not improper storage.

And as for guns having no utility other than killing, the recreational shooting industry and community (trap, skeet, sporting clays, formal and informal target shooting and competition, and even multiple Olympic events) would beg to differ.

No, a child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife. It takes a physical action of stabbing someone. That’s not accidental. They might pick it up and drop it and cut someone. Even if they threw it, it might injure someone, but not very unlikely to kill. But that is very different than accidentally squeezing the trigger on a gun that they think is a toy or is unloaded and killing a family member or friend.
Most people that shoot recreationally also hunt. The primary purpose of the weapon is again, to kill.

First, any child old enough to lift and operate a firearm is quite strong enough to cause grievous damage with a knife. And penetrating injury is not required for a fatal wound. A five year old waving a knife as a “sword” could easily inflict a fatal slash wound.

Second, i don’t know where you get your statistic about “most” gun owners. I am acquainted with lots of recreational shooters. The very vast majority are not hunters.

LEO wife here.

Last year there were multiple cases where 2 year olds killed themselves or other people with a loaded gun left unattended. A two year old is very unlikely to kill someone with a knife they find unattended. I imagine that such an accident would be reported in the media, and yet they aren't, even though there are more 2 year olds living in houses with knives than houses with guns.

In my household there are some things that are locked up or out of reach when our kids are little. When we had toddler and preschoolers, our cleaning supplies were in a cabinet up high. The knife drawer had a latch on it. There was a slide lock on the door to the garage where the antifreeze and the starter for the barbecue live. Scissors lived on top of the fridge.

As my kids got older, some of those precautions went away. We have 6 to 13 year olds right now, and I no longer have those locks on the stove, my kids go into the garage by themselves to get the soccer goal, and they set the table with knives unsupervised.

But there are four things where I continue to take precautions, because I know that they have a tendency to attract older kids, and I know that accidents are still common in those age groups. In all of these situations, I take double precautions, because I want a back up plan.

1) Pools. We don't have one, but we've stayed in houses with one, and I won't stay if there isn't a lock that the kids can't access unless they are with an adult. I have also made sure my kids can swim. I don't rely on just one of those, I rely on both.

2) Powertools. My DH likes to wood work, we have things like a table saw that could hurt a child very badly, and I've got a few kids who love to woodwork. My husband has spent a lot of time with our kids teaching safety, but the woodshop is still locked, and the kids don't go in without Dad or another adult.

3) Opiods: We have a family member who receives palliative care and uses opiods. In this case, I don't just worry about the kids, I worry about myself making an error in the middle of the night when I'm tired. To prevent that, I have a time when I'm awake and not distracted and I draw up the day's doses in syringes that are labeled. DH checks them. Any meds I'm not using are stored in a safe. The meds I am using that day are in a lockbox by the bed.

4) Guns: Guns are always locked up except that moment when DH is coming or going, or if he's doing something specific where his attention is on his gun (e.g. cleaning it, unloading it). My kids have also been taught what to do if they find a gun anywhere. It's not one thing or another.

See, I am consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:We have guns, and because of my husbands job most people know we have them.m. I am huge hypocrite because my husband is one of the few people I feel safe with having a gun. Most of our friends are anti-gun and agree that my husband is one of the few people they feel safe with owning a gun. He has had extensive training, is an expert marksman and nothing is more important to him than gun safety. You won’t see him wearing any ridiculous 3 percenters shirts or pretending be some kind of sheepdog either.

I guess I should add none of our guns were recent purchases, and our kids have never shot a gun. If my kids wanted to when they was older and went through the gun safety classes, my husband would take them to the range, but as it stand they are still young and impulsive. They would never be able to touch a gun in our home since ours are stored properly in a safe, and in a room that the kids don’t even access to. However they have been taught what to do if they ever see a gun at someone’s house or a friends tries to show them one.

I'm also married to someone who carries a gun for work. He comes home, it goes into a biometric safe, the ammo goes into a different safe. Both safes are in a space that we'd notice if the kids went in, and are out of reach. I don't love that there's a gun in the house, but I trust my DH.

Do you have kitchen knives? Household cleaners? Prescription or non prescription medicine? Flammables? Power tools? Paint, thinner, car fluids?

Do you worry about those inanimate objects self-locomoting and forming evil intent to harm you or yours? So what is it about “a gun in the house?” Guns are inanimate objects with a utilitarian use, dangerous if misused. Irrational fear of weapons calls for education.

Don’t be a moron. A gun has one purpose – to injure or kill. I say this as a gun owner. A child can’t pick up a knife and accidentally kill their sibling or parent. But a child can accidentally access to a gun that is improperly stored and accidentally kill someone.
Flammable substances are an issue. That’s why parents should keep them in a place where children don’t have access. Otherwise a child can accidentally burn down a house and kill people.

A child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife? Really? Are all your knives butter knives?

As for safe, secure storage, absolutely. The comment was directed to a PP’s professed concern about “having a gun in the house,” in and of itself, not improper storage.

And as for guns having no utility other than killing, the recreational shooting industry and community (trap, skeet, sporting clays, formal and informal target shooting and competition, and even multiple Olympic events) would beg to differ.

No, a child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife. It takes a physical action of stabbing someone. That’s not accidental. They might pick it up and drop it and cut someone. Even if they threw it, it might injure someone, but not very unlikely to kill. But that is very different than accidentally squeezing the trigger on a gun that they think is a toy or is unloaded and killing a family member or friend.
Most people that shoot recreationally also hunt. The primary purpose of the weapon is again, to kill.

First, any child old enough to lift and operate a firearm is quite strong enough to cause grievous damage with a knife. And penetrating injury is not required for a fatal wound. A five year old waving a knife as a “sword” could easily inflict a fatal slash wound.

Second, i don’t know where you get your statistic about “most” gun owners. I am acquainted with lots of recreational shooters. The very vast majority are not hunters.

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Anonymous wrote:We have guns, and because of my husbands job most people know we have them.m. I am huge hypocrite because my husband is one of the few people I feel safe with having a gun. Most of our friends are anti-gun and agree that my husband is one of the few people they feel safe with owning a gun. He has had extensive training, is an expert marksman and nothing is more important to him than gun safety. You won’t see him wearing any ridiculous 3 percenters shirts or pretending be some kind of sheepdog either.

I guess I should add none of our guns were recent purchases, and our kids have never shot a gun. If my kids wanted to when they was older and went through the gun safety classes, my husband would take them to the range, but as it stand they are still young and impulsive. They would never be able to touch a gun in our home since ours are stored properly in a safe, and in a room that the kids don’t even access to. However they have been taught what to do if they ever see a gun at someone’s house or a friends tries to show them one.

I'm also married to someone who carries a gun for work. He comes home, it goes into a biometric safe, the ammo goes into a different safe. Both safes are in a space that we'd notice if the kids went in, and are out of reach. I don't love that there's a gun in the house, but I trust my DH.

Do you have kitchen knives? Household cleaners? Prescription or non prescription medicine? Flammables? Power tools? Paint, thinner, car fluids?

Do you worry about those inanimate objects self-locomoting and forming evil intent to harm you or yours? So what is it about “a gun in the house?” Guns are inanimate objects with a utilitarian use, dangerous if misused. Irrational fear of weapons calls for education.

Don’t be a moron. A gun has one purpose – to injure or kill. I say this as a gun owner. A child can’t pick up a knife and accidentally kill their sibling or parent. But a child can accidentally access to a gun that is improperly stored and accidentally kill someone.
Flammable substances are an issue. That’s why parents should keep them in a place where children don’t have access. Otherwise a child can accidentally burn down a house and kill people.

A child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife? Really? Are all your knives butter knives?

As for safe, secure storage, absolutely. The comment was directed to a PP’s professed concern about “having a gun in the house,” in and of itself, not improper storage.

And as for guns having no utility other than killing, the recreational shooting industry and community (trap, skeet, sporting clays, formal and informal target shooting and competition, and even multiple Olympic events) would beg to differ.

No, a child can’t accidentally kill someone with a knife. It takes a physical action of stabbing someone. That’s not accidental. They might pick it up and drop it and cut someone. Even if they threw it, it might injure someone, but not very unlikely to kill. But that is very different than accidentally squeezing the trigger on a gun that they think is a toy or is unloaded and killing a family member or friend.
Most people that shoot recreationally also hunt. The primary purpose of the weapon is again, to kill.