Anonymous
08/28/2020 14:29
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:you can have need blind schools ranked below Colby, you can even have need blind schools that are second or third tier - it is possible
Need blind and meet full need schools 2nd and 3rd tier? Would love a list, or even examples... thanks.
None. But on dcum “3rd tier” means “top 30 instead of top 5.” By that definition, my kid’s is about 4th/5th tier. And they are very pleased!
This +1. From the wiki on need blind institutions:
U.S. institutions that are need-blind and meet full demonstrated need for both U.S. and international students
There are currently only seven U.S. higher education institutions that are need-blind and meet full demonstrated need for all applicants, including international students.[2] These are:
Amherst College[3]
Curtis Institute of Music
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology[4]
Minerva Schools at KGI
Princeton University[5]
Yale University[6]
U.S. institutions that are need-blind for U.S. applicants and meet full demonstrated need
A number of U.S. institutions of higher learning both offer need-blind admissions and meet the full demonstrated need for all domestic students, but are need-aware when it comes to international student admissions. However, all admitted students will have their demonstrated need met. The following schools fall into this category:
Barnard College (need-aware for transfer students)[7]
Boston College
Bowdoin College (need-aware for transfer students)[8]
Brown University (need-aware for transfer students)[9]
California Institute of Technology
Claremont McKenna College
Columbia University[10]
Cornell University[11]
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Denison University[12]
Duke University[13]
Georgetown University[14]
Grinnell College[15]
Hamilton College[16]
Harvey Mudd College[17]
Johns Hopkins University[18]
Middlebury College
Northwestern University
Olin College[19]
Pomona College[20]
Rice University[21]
Soka University of America[22]
Stanford University
Swarthmore College
University of Chicago
University of Michigan (need-blind for in-state students only)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill[23]
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania (need-blind for Mexican and Canadian students as well)[24]
University of Richmond (need-aware for transfer students)[25]
University of Southern California[26]
University of Virginia[27]
Vanderbilt University
Vassar College[28][29]
Wellesley College
Williams College
Which of those colleges listed will cease being need blind because of one year of reduced enrollment?
Anonymous
08/28/2020 14:25
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:you can have need blind schools ranked below Colby, you can even have need blind schools that are second or third tier - it is possible
Need blind and meet full need schools 2nd and 3rd tier? Would love a list, or even examples... thanks.
None. But on dcum “3rd tier” means “top 30 instead of top 5.” By that definition, my kid’s is about 4th/5th tier. And they are very pleased!
Anonymous
08/28/2020 14:23
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:you can have need blind schools ranked below Colby, you can even have need blind schools that are second or third tier - it is possible
Need blind and meet full need schools 2nd and 3rd tier? Would love a list, or even examples... thanks.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 14:21
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
you can have need blind schools ranked below Colby, you can even have need blind schools that are second or third tier - it is possible
Anonymous
08/28/2020 14:18
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am an alum of a selective SLAC, although not Amherst-tier. Let's say Colby-tier. I know first-hand that our need blind college is financially challenged, even with a strong endowment. If they need to send kids home this year, or if this pandemic continues to impact programming into the 2021-2022 academic year, I think need the blind policy might need to be re-evaluated, at least for waitlist candidates.
I know you are not saying otherwise, but Colby is not need blind. So if your college is need-blind, it is likely above "Colby tier" (which is a high tier indeed).
This sub-thread has spun off but the need-blind statements made were specifically about Amherst, and the endowment per student data was presented and linked to show that Amherst is unlikely to change that policy regardless of reduced enrollment for this year.
they never said Colby. I went to a SLAC that's top 10 according to us news, but not Amherst, so similar to Colby. We're need blind, but I know from friends both on the board and working there that there is a big concern that they won't be able to stay need bling. A lot of people are underestimating the damage covid is doing to budgets even of well endowed schools
Assuming you are DP. Please read what was typed. PP absolutely "said colby" as in "colby-tier". I responded "I know you are not saying otherwise, but Colby is not need blind. So if your college is need-blind, it is likely above "Colby tier" This sub-thread has spun off but the need-blind statements made were specifically about Amherst, and the endowment per student data was presented and linked to show that Amherst is unlikely to change that policy regardless of reduced enrollment for this year.
Top colleges do occasionally change from need blind to need aware (Wesleyan for example). Amherst has 3X the EPS as Colby and 4X as Wes. They are extremely unlikely to change from need blind in the next admissions cycle and to hope or count on that is foolish.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:49
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am an alum of a selective SLAC, although not Amherst-tier. Let's say Colby-tier. I know first-hand that our need blind college is financially challenged, even with a strong endowment. If they need to send kids home this year, or if this pandemic continues to impact programming into the 2021-2022 academic year, I think need the blind policy might need to be re-evaluated, at least for waitlist candidates.
I know you are not saying otherwise, but Colby is not need blind. So if your college is need-blind, it is likely above "Colby tier" (which is a high tier indeed).
This sub-thread has spun off but the need-blind statements made were specifically about Amherst, and the endowment per student data was presented and linked to show that Amherst is unlikely to change that policy regardless of reduced enrollment for this year.
they never said Colby. I went to a SLAC that's top 10 according to us news, but not Amherst, so similar to Colby. We're need blind, but I know from friends both on the board and working there that there is a big concern that they won't be able to stay need bling. A lot of people are underestimating the damage covid is doing to budgets even of well endowed schools
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:39
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:I am an alum of a selective SLAC, although not Amherst-tier. Let's say Colby-tier. I know first-hand that our need blind college is financially challenged, even with a strong endowment. If they need to send kids home this year, or if this pandemic continues to impact programming into the 2021-2022 academic year, I think need the blind policy might need to be re-evaluated, at least for waitlist candidates.
I know you are not saying otherwise, but Colby is not need blind. So if your college is need-blind, it is likely above "Colby tier" (which is a high tier indeed).
This sub-thread has spun off but the need-blind statements made were specifically about Amherst, and the endowment per student data was presented and linked to show that Amherst is unlikely to change that policy regardless of reduced enrollment for this year.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:33
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
I am an alum of a selective SLAC, although not Amherst-tier. Let's say Colby-tier. I know first-hand that our need blind college is financially challenged, even with a strong endowment. If they need to send kids home this year, or if this pandemic continues to impact programming into the 2021-2022 academic year, I think need the blind policy might need to be re-evaluated, at least for waitlist candidates.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:22
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So DD is coming from a Big 3 with ACT scores at the upper end of the range and grades in line with the average student. Apply ED and her odds are probably good, even better than normal for 2021.
Why do you say odds are better than normal for class of 2021?
Less revenue for the two school years in a row. Considering how generous aid is at Amherst, applicants with high stats who are paying full freight are more beneficial than usual.
For the millionth time, Amherst College is need blind in admissions, as are most top 20 schools. Full pay gives no advantage there.
With a top 10 Endowment per student of $1,157,046, they will make no changes to that policy.
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent
But all of that (need-blind/financial aid/merit aid) is going to be in flux now due to COVID. Many SLACs are going to have to revamp their financial aid packages and/or dip into endowment to survive. My own SLAC is one of those listed as "will struggle". I've been hit up five times already for money. Granted my SLAC isn't Amherst but there will still be major changes coming due to the pandemic - much of it good.
Struggling LACs aren’t need blind.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:20
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So DD is coming from a Big 3 with ACT scores at the upper end of the range and grades in line with the average student. Apply ED and her odds are probably good, even better than normal for 2021.
Why do you say odds are better than normal for class of 2021?
Less revenue for the two school years in a row. Considering how generous aid is at Amherst, applicants with high stats who are paying full freight are more beneficial than usual.
For the millionth time, Amherst College is need blind in admissions, as are most top 20 schools. Full pay gives no advantage there.
With a top 10 Endowment per student of $1,157,046, they will make no changes to that policy.
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent
But all of that (need-blind/financial aid/merit aid) is going to be in flux now due to COVID. Many SLACs are going to have to revamp their financial aid packages and/or dip into endowment to survive. My own SLAC is one of those listed as "will struggle". I've been hit up five times already for money. Granted my SLAC isn't Amherst but there will still be major changes coming due to the pandemic - much of it good.
Anonymous
08/28/2020 13:11
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So DD is coming from a Big 3 with ACT scores at the upper end of the range and grades in line with the average student. Apply ED and her odds are probably good, even better than normal for 2021.
Why do you say odds are better than normal for class of 2021?
Less revenue for the two school years in a row. Considering how generous aid is at Amherst, applicants with high stats who are paying full freight are more beneficial than usual.
For the millionth time, Amherst College is need blind in admissions, as are most top 20 schools. Full pay gives no advantage there.
With a top 10 Endowment per student of $1,157,046, they will make no changes to that policy.
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/EndowmentPerStudent
Anonymous
08/28/2020 12:46
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So DD is coming from a Big 3 with ACT scores at the upper end of the range and grades in line with the average student. Apply ED and her odds are probably good, even better than normal for 2021.
Why do you say odds are better than normal for class of 2021?
Less revenue for the two school years in a row. Considering how generous aid is at Amherst, applicants with high stats who are paying full freight are more beneficial than usual.
Anonymous
08/27/2020 22:00
Subject: Re:Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:You'd be much better served asking this question of your college counselor at your school and seeing the Naviance stats for similar applicants than asking on this forum. No one on this forum, present company included, knows anything about college admissions from your school.
+1 Your counselor should be able to give you an idea if applying ED to Amherst is worth it.
Anonymous
08/27/2020 21:49
Subject: Re:Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So PPs are saying that a 4.0 UW and 36 ACT from private is somehow worth more than 4.0 UW and 36 ACT from public? WTF?
Well, they have to justify the price they pay somehow.
The “Big 3” high schools have a more competitive admissions process than most colleges. Yes, being in the top 25% of the class is worth more there than being in the top 25% at a public school where a significant percentage of the student body isn’t aiming for college.
Whether or not going to a private school is actually helpful for college admissions is another matter — I actually think it isn’t these days, since it shows privilege that the schools are trying to steer away from. However, schools do adjust their perception of grades based upon the HS in question.
(FWIW, my kids don’t go to a Big 3)
LOL they admit kids in preschool. Notice I included STANDARDIZED test scores.
But someone has to be privileged at top private colleges because: a) they are expensive and b) they need to subsidized the nonprivileged.
Anonymous
08/27/2020 21:26
Subject: Chance at Amherst? 3.83uw GPA and 34 ACT
Anonymous wrote:At LACs. Opposite is true at university engineering programs.
Not as much as you would think because of engineering program’s efforts to over compensate and attract women.