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Anonymous wrote:It's a shame you have to really think hard about police brutality and murder before calling the police. we saw a woman who seemed a bit confused, and kept crossing a busy street on a hill around a curve, so it was hard for oncoming cars to see her. At first I thought she might have been looking for something she had dropped crossing the street, but it became clear she was having some sort of cognitive or psychological problem. My first instinct was to call the police, but I thought better of it, since they can cause more harm than good. That is such a sad commentary on the police in our society today.

What is sad is that you have been brainwashed by cherry picked videos to create a narrative that sells, but is in no way accurate. Do you actually think that social media and CNN shows videos of law enforcement that are representative of what police officers do day in and day out? Do you even know any police officers? The ignorance here is astounding.

I'm basing this on local news. Yes, people call the police for someone have a mental crisis and the police use tasers or just shoot them dead. It has happened enough times ***in this area*** that I think twice before calling the police.

Anonymous wrote:It's a shame you have to really think hard about police brutality and murder before calling the police. we saw a woman who seemed a bit confused, and kept crossing a busy street on a hill around a curve, so it was hard for oncoming cars to see her. At first I thought she might have been looking for something she had dropped crossing the street, but it became clear she was having some sort of cognitive or psychological problem. My first instinct was to call the police, but I thought better of it, since they can cause more harm than good. That is such a sad commentary on the police in our society today.

What is sad is that you have been brainwashed by cherry picked videos to create a narrative that sells, but is in no way accurate. Do you actually think that social media and CNN shows videos of law enforcement that are representative of what police officers do day in and day out? Do you even know any police officers? The ignorance here is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:The amount of privilege inherent in having rules for summoning the police is truly breathtaking.

I'm really sick of these "your privilege is showing" posts. They don't help anything. Yes, PP, some people are privileged. So what. We're all a part of this conversation.

As the person whose privilege was being called out, I not bothered it by it. I am a privileged person and it's good to reflect on what that means for how I consider the police. For this, my commitment to non-violence comes from the Sermon on the Mount, so I'm not going to abandon a command of actual God, even if it conflicts with some notion of what I should do based on ideas of privilege. Second, I'm confident that I developed my ideas of when to call on the police based on my conversations with people who have less privilege than I do, not my UMC white neighbors (who mostly seem like they feel very free to call the police), so I don't feel like the call out is accurate.

Anonymous wrote:God you people are AWFUL! This protest was not violent and now you're complaining it was too noisy. How horrible. Do you realize the point of protesting is to disturb the peace, disrupt the status quo, get noticed? Good trouble and all.

It doesn’t seem like good trouble, just big nuisance.

Anonymous wrote:The amount of privilege inherent in having rules for summoning the police is truly breathtaking.

I'm really sick of these "your privilege is showing" posts. They don't help anything. Yes, PP, some people are privileged. So what. We're all a part of this conversation.

It's a shame you have to really think hard about police brutality and murder before calling the police. we saw a woman who seemed a bit confused, and kept crossing a busy street on a hill around a curve, so it was hard for oncoming cars to see her. At first I thought she might have been looking for something she had dropped crossing the street, but it became clear she was having some sort of cognitive or psychological problem. My first instinct was to call the police, but I thought better of it, since they can cause more harm than good. That is such a sad commentary on the police in our society today.

The amount of privilege inherent in having rules for summoning the police is truly breathtaking.

Did the protesters scream at residents to give up their houses as some did in (was it Seattle)?

Count yourselves lucky.

One of these days yelling at people to give up houses will turn into breaking down doors.

the anti gentrifier spiel I have heard in DC is so full of disinformation. Very few people realize that gentrification in 14th/16th street repaired these corridors that were bombed out by the riots. it revived the U St "arts ' district. Not there are business owners of all hues. When I was a kid there were boarded up windows and a few liquor stores. These bandana wearing white kids just want to burn stuff that other people built. They are bad people.

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Anonymous wrote:So what? An occasional inconvenience to accommodate social protest? Don’t value freedom of expression over a bit of list sleep?

Not enforcing laws on gatherings also led to a 20 person shooting and one death this weekend. There is a reason that we have reasonable, lawful ways to gather whether for entertainment, protest or anything else. If you don't want laws or don't want laws enforced, or want to pick and choose which ones are--perhaps you should start your own community? There are lots of people in Michigan who live in groups with like-minded individuals and print their own money etc. You would fit right in.

I'm willing to bet big money that those that cry freedom of expression from the bored, white teens and 20's suburbanites protesting in the middle of the night would feel much differently if the "mostly peaceful" protests were in their own neighborhoods in the middle of the night, on their lawns, trashing their cars, and waking them up scared in the middle of the night, and most would dial 911 demanding police protection. Feel free to prove me wrong.

How are we supposed to prove wrong an entirely hypothetical claim? 911 can bring the police, who bring state sponsored violence, so in my house we have rules about when they're called that are very limited; medical emergencies we can't handle ourselves (with extreme trepidation if it involves mental health issues because of the history of police violence against the mentally ill), fires, and crimes where we'd feel morally okay if the police showed up and killed someone. We've never had a fire or a violent home invasion, so we've only ever called 911 for medical issues.

You can choose not to believe that, but that's our approach.

You’re insane

What did I say that was even wrong? Are police not tools of state violence? That's indisputable. You're okay being a party to that. I largely am not. No one is insane, we just disagree.

NP. Your premise is wrong. No, the police are not “tools of state violence,”. They are keepers of law and peace.

What tools do they have that enable them to be "keepers of law and peace"? Is it their right to arrest people and violently subdue anyone who resists being detained? If I did that, it would be kidnapping, which I think we'd all agree is violence. The difference is that police have state permission, hence "state violence."

I don't really have a problem with people who support the police, but denying that it's inherently violent is just dishonest. You're okay with the police, because you think that violence is appropriate and justified. Most people do, but I mostly don't, so I opt not to participate when I can.

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Anonymous wrote:So what? An occasional inconvenience to accommodate social protest? Don’t value freedom of expression over a bit of list sleep?

Not enforcing laws on gatherings also led to a 20 person shooting and one death this weekend. There is a reason that we have reasonable, lawful ways to gather whether for entertainment, protest or anything else. If you don't want laws or don't want laws enforced, or want to pick and choose which ones are--perhaps you should start your own community? There are lots of people in Michigan who live in groups with like-minded individuals and print their own money etc. You would fit right in.

I'm willing to bet big money that those that cry freedom of expression from the bored, white teens and 20's suburbanites protesting in the middle of the night would feel much differently if the "mostly peaceful" protests were in their own neighborhoods in the middle of the night, on their lawns, trashing their cars, and waking them up scared in the middle of the night, and most would dial 911 demanding police protection. Feel free to prove me wrong.

How are we supposed to prove wrong an entirely hypothetical claim? 911 can bring the police, who bring state sponsored violence, so in my house we have rules about when they're called that are very limited; medical emergencies we can't handle ourselves (with extreme trepidation if it involves mental health issues because of the history of police violence against the mentally ill), fires, and crimes where we'd feel morally okay if the police showed up and killed someone. We've never had a fire or a violent home invasion, so we've only ever called 911 for medical issues.

You can choose not to believe that, but that's our approach.

You’re insane

What did I say that was even wrong? Are police not tools of state violence? That's indisputable. You're okay being a party to that. I largely am not. No one is insane, we just disagree.

NP. Your premise is wrong. No, the police are not “tools of state violence,”. They are keepers of law and peace.

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Anonymous wrote:So what? An occasional inconvenience to accommodate social protest? Don’t value freedom of expression over a bit of list sleep?

Not enforcing laws on gatherings also led to a 20 person shooting and one death this weekend. There is a reason that we have reasonable, lawful ways to gather whether for entertainment, protest or anything else. If you don't want laws or don't want laws enforced, or want to pick and choose which ones are--perhaps you should start your own community? There are lots of people in Michigan who live in groups with like-minded individuals and print their own money etc. You would fit right in.

I'm willing to bet big money that those that cry freedom of expression from the bored, white teens and 20's suburbanites protesting in the middle of the night would feel much differently if the "mostly peaceful" protests were in their own neighborhoods in the middle of the night, on their lawns, trashing their cars, and waking them up scared in the middle of the night, and most would dial 911 demanding police protection. Feel free to prove me wrong.

How are we supposed to prove wrong an entirely hypothetical claim? 911 can bring the police, who bring state sponsored violence, so in my house we have rules about when they're called that are very limited; medical emergencies we can't handle ourselves (with extreme trepidation if it involves mental health issues because of the history of police violence against the mentally ill), fires, and crimes where we'd feel morally okay if the police showed up and killed someone. We've never had a fire or a violent home invasion, so we've only ever called 911 for medical issues.

You can choose not to believe that, but that's our approach.

You’re insane

What did I say that was even wrong? Are police not tools of state violence? That's indisputable. You're okay being a party to that. I largely am not. No one is insane, we just disagree.

It is not insane at all simply because you haven't had to consider those parameters.

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Anonymous wrote:So what? An occasional inconvenience to accommodate social protest? Don’t value freedom of expression over a bit of list sleep?

Not enforcing laws on gatherings also led to a 20 person shooting and one death this weekend. There is a reason that we have reasonable, lawful ways to gather whether for entertainment, protest or anything else. If you don't want laws or don't want laws enforced, or want to pick and choose which ones are--perhaps you should start your own community? There are lots of people in Michigan who live in groups with like-minded individuals and print their own money etc. You would fit right in.

I'm willing to bet big money that those that cry freedom of expression from the bored, white teens and 20's suburbanites protesting in the middle of the night would feel much differently if the "mostly peaceful" protests were in their own neighborhoods in the middle of the night, on their lawns, trashing their cars, and waking them up scared in the middle of the night, and most would dial 911 demanding police protection. Feel free to prove me wrong.

How are we supposed to prove wrong an entirely hypothetical claim? 911 can bring the police, who bring state sponsored violence, so in my house we have rules about when they're called that are very limited; medical emergencies we can't handle ourselves (with extreme trepidation if it involves mental health issues because of the history of police violence against the mentally ill), fires, and crimes where we'd feel morally okay if the police showed up and killed someone. We've never had a fire or a violent home invasion, so we've only ever called 911 for medical issues.

You can choose not to believe that, but that's our approach.

You’re insane

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what? An occasional inconvenience to accommodate social protest? Don’t value freedom of expression over a bit of list sleep?

Not enforcing laws on gatherings also led to a 20 person shooting and one death this weekend. There is a reason that we have reasonable, lawful ways to gather whether for entertainment, protest or anything else. If you don't want laws or don't want laws enforced, or want to pick and choose which ones are--perhaps you should start your own community? There are lots of people in Michigan who live in groups with like-minded individuals and print their own money etc. You would fit right in.

I'm willing to bet big money that those that cry freedom of expression from the bored, white teens and 20's suburbanites protesting in the middle of the night would feel much differently if the "mostly peaceful" protests were in their own neighborhoods in the middle of the night, on their lawns, trashing their cars, and waking them up scared in the middle of the night, and most would dial 911 demanding police protection. Feel free to prove me wrong.

How are we supposed to prove wrong an entirely hypothetical claim? 911 can bring the police, who bring state sponsored violence, so in my house we have rules about when they're called that are very limited; medical emergencies we can't handle ourselves (with extreme trepidation if it involves mental health issues because of the history of police violence against the mentally ill), fires, and crimes where we'd feel morally okay if the police showed up and killed someone. We've never had a fire or a violent home invasion, so we've only ever called 911 for medical issues.

You can choose not to believe that, but that's our approach.