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What are you viewing as the threshold? The tables give mean and SD for the scores of kids who are accepted into AAP. The ones on the previous page give them for all kids in each group in FCPS, and based on both the mean and SD, you can get a pretty good notion of how many kids in each group have Cogat composite at or above 132.

For the other numbers, half of all parent referrals get in, according to FCPS. There are quite a lot of parent referrals, which means quite a lot of kids are getting in with scores lower than 132.

The threshold can change every year but the year my first kid got in the CogAT was 132. I dont remember what it was for the NNAT that cycle. The eligible tables do not show the composite CogAT score so how are you comparing them?

If you've read through the AAP equity report and everything else FCPS has put out there, and you're still convinced that kids who are admitted to AAP with scores below 132 are the rare exception and not the rule, then you're honestly not even intelligent enough for people to bother with you.

Assuming you actually want to learn something and not stubbornly cling to your incorrect notions:
Pg 28 - Table 8 shows the total number of in-pool kids vs. parent referred and teacher referred. Among the 2018-2019 2nd grade cohort, 1409 were in pool and 2581 (2165 parent referred + 416 teacher referred) were evaluated without being in pool. For the same cohort, almost 2200 kids were found AAP eligible (easily found by adding up the total kids in the AAP eligible charts for the same cohort). Even if you were to assume that all of the in-pool kids got in, which is clearly not true, that means over 1/3 of the kids in AAP were not in-pool. The numbers FCPS throws around all of the time are that 2/3 of the in-pool kids and half of the referral kids get in, which would mean that the AAP population for that grade is comprised of around 940 pool kids and 1290 kids who weren't in the pool.

There really truly isn't a threshold of or even near 132. Tons of kids get in with lower scores.

The bottom table on page 65 shows CogAT composite by race for all FCPS students. You can get a decent idea of the percent of students in each race with a composite at/over 132 using the mean and SD. Only around 8% of the white children in FCPS have CogAT composite scores at the "threshold", yet 20% of the white children in FCPS are admitted to AAP.

Clearly reading data and statistics isnt your strong suit which makes your comment about stubbornly clinging to incorrect notions even more funny but to start:
1. those who were in pool and referred by parents/teachers aren't mutually exclusive. In fact Fairfax actively encourages parents to refer because the scores come back too close to the referral cut off date. I referred based on that notice from our school and a day later found out my kid was already in pool.
2.The 20% white overall number of AAP eligible isnt the same as thing as the numbers used for just those in the testing year
3. Your explanation and understanding of statistics used here is just wrong

I'm not responding to your foolishness any longer. You clearly dont know what you're talking about and insist on asserting things that aren't true, aren't stated in this report and are seemingly based on your faulty math skills. Bye

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really bothers me about racial quotas is that they're lumping groups together in a way that absolves them from including Latinx and AAs. In my kid's AAP classes, most of the Hispanic kids are white kids of Spanish origin and not Latinx. Likewise, most of the black kids are African immigrants and not African Americans. In both cases, it's kids from generally privileged groups taking spots that are nominally intended for underprivileged groups.

You can't possibly be arguing that black people who came here recently from Africa are "privileged" compared with black people who have been living in the States their whole lives? I'm curious to hear about these privileged African countries with free world class educations and free housing and everything else that people are eligible for here.

Nigerians are the highest educated immigrants to come to the U.S., across the board. That isnt cheap.

Not all African's live in huts. geez

Yes, but not all African Americans live in huts either.

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What are you viewing as the threshold? The tables give mean and SD for the scores of kids who are accepted into AAP. The ones on the previous page give them for all kids in each group in FCPS, and based on both the mean and SD, you can get a pretty good notion of how many kids in each group have Cogat composite at or above 132.

For the other numbers, half of all parent referrals get in, according to FCPS. There are quite a lot of parent referrals, which means quite a lot of kids are getting in with scores lower than 132.

The threshold can change every year but the year my first kid got in the CogAT was 132. I dont remember what it was for the NNAT that cycle. The eligible tables do not show the composite CogAT score so how are you comparing them?

If you've read through the AAP equity report and everything else FCPS has put out there, and you're still convinced that kids who are admitted to AAP with scores below 132 are the rare exception and not the rule, then you're honestly not even intelligent enough for people to bother with you.

Assuming you actually want to learn something and not stubbornly cling to your incorrect notions:
Pg 28 - Table 8 shows the total number of in-pool kids vs. parent referred and teacher referred. Among the 2018-2019 2nd grade cohort, 1409 were in pool and 2581 (2165 parent referred + 416 teacher referred) were evaluated without being in pool. For the same cohort, almost 2200 kids were found AAP eligible (easily found by adding up the total kids in the AAP eligible charts for the same cohort). Even if you were to assume that all of the in-pool kids got in, which is clearly not true, that means over 1/3 of the kids in AAP were not in-pool. The numbers FCPS throws around all of the time are that 2/3 of the in-pool kids and half of the referral kids get in, which would mean that the AAP population for that grade is comprised of around 940 pool kids and 1290 kids who weren't in the pool.

There really truly isn't a threshold of or even near 132. Tons of kids get in with lower scores.

The bottom table on page 65 shows CogAT composite by race for all FCPS students. You can get a decent idea of the percent of students in each race with a composite at/over 132 using the mean and SD. Only around 8% of the white children in FCPS have CogAT composite scores at the "threshold", yet 20% of the white children in FCPS are admitted to AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really bothers me about racial quotas is that they're lumping groups together in a way that absolves them from including Latinx and AAs. In my kid's AAP classes, most of the Hispanic kids are white kids of Spanish origin and not Latinx. Likewise, most of the black kids are African immigrants and not African Americans. In both cases, it's kids from generally privileged groups taking spots that are nominally intended for underprivileged groups.

You can't possibly be arguing that black people who came here recently from Africa are "privileged" compared with black people who have been living in the States their whole lives? I'm curious to hear about these privileged African countries with free world class educations and free housing and everything else that people are eligible for here.

Nigerians are the highest educated immigrants to come to the U.S., across the board. That isnt cheap.

Not all African's live in huts. geez

Anonymous wrote:PP here and this "federal ethnic code" which states the race is right next to the Cogat/NNAt scores, etc. It's all on one page.

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You can't possibly be arguing that black people who came here recently from Africa are "privileged" compared with black people who have been living in the States their whole lives? I'm curious to hear about these privileged African countries with free world class educations and free housing and everything else that people are eligible for here.

Nigerians are the highest educated immigrants to come to the U.S., across the board. That isnt cheap.

Not all African's live in huts. geez

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What are you viewing as the threshold? The tables give mean and SD for the scores of kids who are accepted into AAP. The ones on the previous page give them for all kids in each group in FCPS, and based on both the mean and SD, you can get a pretty good notion of how many kids in each group have Cogat composite at or above 132.

For the other numbers, half of all parent referrals get in, according to FCPS. There are quite a lot of parent referrals, which means quite a lot of kids are getting in with scores lower than 132.

The threshold can change every year but the year my first kid got in the CogAT was 132. I dont remember what it was for the NNAT that cycle. The eligible tables do not show the composite CogAT score so how are you comparing them?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that really bothers me about racial quotas is that they're lumping groups together in a way that absolves them from including Latinx and AAs. In my kid's AAP classes, most of the Hispanic kids are white kids of Spanish origin and not Latinx. Likewise, most of the black kids are African immigrants and not African Americans. In both cases, it's kids from generally privileged groups taking spots that are nominally intended for underprivileged groups.

You can't possibly be arguing that black people who came here recently from Africa are "privileged" compared with black people who have been living in the States their whole lives? I'm curious to hear about these privileged African countries with free world class educations and free housing and everything else that people are eligible for here.

Anonymous wrote:The thing that really bothers me about racial quotas is that they're lumping groups together in a way that absolves them from including Latinx and AAs. In my kid's AAP classes, most of the Hispanic kids are white kids of Spanish origin and not Latinx. Likewise, most of the black kids are African immigrants and not African Americans. In both cases, it's kids from generally privileged groups taking spots that are nominally intended for underprivileged groups.

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The data on page 66 do not say a decent number of kids are getting scores below the threshold. The minimum scores could be that 1 kid in each demographic got in with those scores. And it certainly doesnt tell you if that one kid with the minimum scored the minimum across all the tests.

I have no idea where you're getting the rest of these numbers so I wont address those.

What are you viewing as the threshold? The tables give mean and SD for the scores of kids who are accepted into AAP. The ones on the previous page give them for all kids in each group in FCPS, and based on both the mean and SD, you can get a pretty good notion of how many kids in each group have Cogat composite at or above 132.

For the other numbers, half of all parent referrals get in, according to FCPS. There are quite a lot of parent referrals, which means quite a lot of kids are getting in with scores lower than 132.

Anonymous wrote:Table 10 on Equity Report. Over a course of 11 years of data, the acceptance into AAP LIV has remained relatively flat, hovering around 60% acceptance rate. How does that support that the program is unlimited in space?

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The data on page 66 do not say a decent number of kids are getting scores below the threshold. The minimum scores could be that 1 kid in each demographic got in with those scores. And it certainly doesnt tell you if that one kid with the minimum scored the minimum across all the tests.

I have no idea where you're getting the rest of these numbers so I wont address those.