So, we now think it’s a good idea to force a few hundred thousand international students who are now in the US, a current covid hot spot, onto airplanes to scatter their germs around the world?

The problem now is timing. The universities can go to court to "appeal" the ICE ruling, but decisions need to be made in weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

That so many international students are full pay means they'll have no problem with access to internet or computers in their home county. These are not impoverished students living in a shack without running water.

Universities have already been planning for a steep drop in enrollment. US-based students are taking gap years or going to community college so they don't have to pay the high fees for a distance-learning only environment.

Just because someone is full pay doesn't mean they have access to the internet from their home country. You realize, someone could be a coal heir in West Virginia and not have internet access at home, right?

Anonymous wrote:Nov 3. Please vote.

Absolutely. Trump2020!

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Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Yes -- the whole point of the F-1 visa is to come to the US to study in a university. If you can no longer study _in_ the university, then there is no need to come to the US.

if you cannot study IN the univeristy because the president and his administration are willfully incompetent boobs, that isn't the students fault. Nor is the fault of the schools who lose the income and the small towns they are in from losing the economic development they would have otherwise had. How does an Oberlin, Ohio recover from something like this?

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

Not necessarily. Time for SLACs to make tuition a bit more affordable.

At the top ones about half the students are full pay. Hundreds of LACs give merit aid.

The Administration has moved methodically to reduce the number of intl students in the US. It is working - the number has dropped each of the last 3 years. Here’s another piece of the plan —> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/05/29/trump-administration-reportedly-considers-restrictions-foreign-student-work-program

This ICE plan to enforce a policy that makes sense in normal time during a pandemic obviously affects current students. But it will have a long term negative impact on our economy. Many international students stay (legally) and create companies and jobs and wealth here. But every international student contributes to our economy: they buy food, goods and services, travel, housing - in addition to their tuition.

This has another benefit: pressure colleges and universities to open and hold face to face classes even if the science isn’t there or the colleges decide it can’t be done safely.

Not having classes or students in residence is a reminder that we have mismanaged the pandemic.

It is also easier to block US college students from voting if they are at home and not away at school.

Next up - forcing K12 to fully open or risk funding or some other BS. Because Trump will do anything to win.

Anonymous wrote:Not all international students are full pay. I guess that you haven't heard of the Davis United World College Scholars Program, which places scholars all over the US. My biggest worry about the ICE ruling is that international scholars are going to be logging into synchronous classes in the middle of the night. ICE is cruel.

There were 364,000 F-1 student visas issued last year. Davis sponsors 3,100 students/year.

Davis World Scholars: https://www.davisuwcscholars.org/partners

Not all international students are full pay. I guess that you haven't heard of the Davis United World College Scholars Program, which places scholars all over the US. My biggest worry about the ICE ruling is that international scholars are going to be logging into synchronous classes in the middle of the night. ICE is cruel.

Anonymous wrote:A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

That so many international students are full pay means they'll have no problem with access to internet or computers in their home county. These are not impoverished students living in a shack without running water.

Universities have already been planning for a steep drop in enrollment. US-based students are taking gap years or going to community college so they don't have to pay the high fees for a distance-learning only environment.

Anonymous wrote:Have they provided *any* rationale for this, other than just being dickwipes?

Yes -- the whole point of the F-1 visa is to come to the US to study in a university. If you can no longer study _in_ the university, then there is no need to come to the US.

Isn't life hard enough with a pandemic? Asking students to figure out international travel find a place to live on short notice (and often with limited financial means) is so cruel. None of those things are easy right now. Is it November yet?

Anonymous wrote:A lot of internationals are “full pay” and SLACs, in particular, rely on that $. We all saw this coming. Are you living under a rock? Our American rising seniors will not have to compete with that sector, but many SLACs may go under.

Not necessarily. Time for SLACs to make tuition a bit more affordable.

Probably just a coincidence that the ICE announcement came out at the same time Trump was tweeting that schools must open this fall.