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Anonymous wrote:Outdoor playdates fine, have been doing those for weeks. Playgrounds fine. Would probably be ok with visiting in a different state. Outdoor camp yes, indoor camp only if it were a childcare need and I didn’t have other options.

All day outdoor camp in DC summer doesn't sound feasible. We've been lucky with cool June weather, but the inevitable 100 degree/100% humidity days are coming. What then? Just don't go to camp those days?

We are considering outdoor camp for our 8 year old (in MD not DC) in July. The camp is at school, a mile from our home, and we are both WFH so I don't anticipate having her there all day. We are still waiting for details, but they will have tents for shade and lots of water play to keep cool. They will cancel on rain days because the intent is to have the kids outside.

We don't need camp for childcare, it would be to drop her off for 3 hours or so to get some social time and water play. Still not sure if we are doing it. We've been isolating since mid March - not going anywhere except grocery store, our yard, and walks/bike rides around our quiet neighborhood. So this would be a big deal. But outdoor transmission is low and we are waiting to see exactly what precautions are being taken.

This thread was super interesting. I guess we fall on the much stricter end of the spectrum. No camp, only starting to use our nanny again now, and only go to the playgrounds when they are empty.

Anonymous wrote:Outdoor playdates fine, have been doing those for weeks. Playgrounds fine. Would probably be ok with visiting in a different state. Outdoor camp yes, indoor camp only if it were a childcare need and I didn’t have other options.

All day outdoor camp in DC summer doesn't sound feasible. We've been lucky with cool June weather, but the inevitable 100 degree/100% humidity days are coming. What then? Just don't go to camp those days?

Outdoor playdates fine, have been doing those for weeks. Playgrounds fine. Would probably be ok with visiting in a different state. Outdoor camp yes, indoor camp only if it were a childcare need and I didn’t have other options.

Two engineers here in NoVA, outside the Beltway. Two children:4yo and 6wo. I am on maternity leave for 4 more weeks, DH is WFH. DH goes out for groceries every 10 days. I have not left the house since early March except for doctor’s appointments and labor/delivery.

4yo went back to daycare this week. Similar to PP at 13:23, we made the decision that she needed the interaction with her peer group. This decision was made after consultation with our pediatrician, who told us that the latest info shows child to child transmission rates are very low. We are comfortable with the steps our daycare has implemented. DC#2 will be enrolled at the same daycare center in 4 weeks.

My parents are about 2 hours away. They stayed in our house to watch DC#1 when DC#2 was born, and they’ve made two additional overnight visits since that time. Visiting other family requires air travel, so we will not be seeing them this year.

No outdoor play dates for now.

No playground visits.

2 Feds here both working from home fulltime even before the lockdown started, so that's not a change.

DD 3 went back to daycare 3 weeks ago. They've put precautions into place so that it's the same group of people in her small group all day with no intermixing, they wipe down the playground between groups, no parents in the building, teachers wear masks.

I go to Costco every 3 weeks or so (wearing a mask) and get some groceries delivered in the interim.

We don't do takeout or go anywhere else. We walk the dog, but live in the suburbs so there's not any crowding and people are keeping well apart.

We decided that dd's mental health needed the social peer interaction since facetiming and whatnot don't work for her, but are severely limiting all other contact so as to protect the daycare teachers/community as much as possible and not pass it on ourselves if we should happen to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:I likely live in OP's neighborhood.
No adult goes anywhere besides the checkout screen on the computer.
We cannot afford to travel.
We're rational enough to decide that camps, outdoor playdates, and playgrounds are not going to happen for our family until 2021.
We can't really go outside too often, because OP's kids and our mutual neighbors' kids, are running and scootering around without masks, with their distancing vaguely managed from afar with a wave of the wine glass because times are tough.

You imply that that people who participate in minimal risk activities are not rational. Assessing risk and selecting low risk activities seems very rational. Holing up until 2021 hoping for some unlikely vaccine seems a bit irrational.

+1.

Anonymous wrote:I likely live in OP's neighborhood.
No adult goes anywhere besides the checkout screen on the computer.
We cannot afford to travel.
We're rational enough to decide that camps, outdoor playdates, and playgrounds are not going to happen for our family until 2021.
We can't really go outside too often, because OP's kids and our mutual neighbors' kids, are running and scootering around without masks, with their distancing vaguely managed from afar with a wave of the wine glass because times are tough.

You imply that that people who participate in minimal risk activities are not rational. Assessing risk and selecting low risk activities seems very rational. Holing up until 2021 hoping for some unlikely vaccine seems a bit irrational.

1) Under VERY restrictive conditions

2) NOPE

3) Yes, but only with people that are properly SD

4) Not yet

Anonymous wrote:The following exchange really concerns me, and I keep seeing it:

"I have same age kids. I’m not judging, I’m genuinely curious, do you not think your kids will get it, or do you think it will be mild if they do?"

"Both, I guess. It’s just not something I’m super worried about. We’ve been doing outdoor play dates since late April and playgrounds since May and they’ve been in camp for a week."

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I'm sure these are *probably* not terribly inaccurate risk assessments for your personal family. But this is not a "to each their own" "live and let live" "do what's best for your own family" kind of situation.

I can't claim to have all of the answers. But I do know that the more people like you do these things, the more likely you are to aid the spread of the virus to much more vulnerable people, somewhere down the line. That's just kinda the way it works.

It is, though. Otherwise the public health experts wouldn’t be saying they’re OK.

Anonymous wrote:The following exchange really concerns me, and I keep seeing it:

"I have same age kids. I’m not judging, I’m genuinely curious, do you not think your kids will get it, or do you think it will be mild if they do?"

"Both, I guess. It’s just not something I’m super worried about. We’ve been doing outdoor play dates since late April and playgrounds since May and they’ve been in camp for a week."

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I'm sure these are *probably* not terribly inaccurate risk assessments for your personal family. But this is not a "to each their own" "live and let live" "do what's best for your own family" kind of situation.

I can't claim to have all of the answers. But I do know that the more people like you do these things, the more likely you are to aid the spread of the virus to much more vulnerable people, somewhere down the line. That's just kinda the way it works.

These activities are allowed now (I'm in VA and you can have gatherings of up to 10 people). Daycares/camps can be open. Playgrounds are now open. If we shouldn't be doing these things then the government and public health experts should put the restrictions back.

I’m pregnant so we are very isolated. No play dates for my other two and we haven’t socialized with anyone in close to 3 months. The only exception is my parents who live nearby and are in very good health. My husband does almost all of the shopping or I just order what we need. We have a big yard so we have added some kid friendly structures which has helped. We take a lot of walks with my mom and bike rides with my dad. My parents check their temps, pulse, BP and blood oxygen levels every day as a precaution. After the baby is born we will be very cautious about going to our swim club or playgrounds but we can’t stay in complete isolation forever.

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Anonymous wrote:1) sending them to camp if it opens
- yes, my kids are at a day camp for 8 hours every day. 50 kids, 4 teachers, at an elementary school. No one wears masks except for the staff person who sits at the desk to sign kids in and out at pick up and drop off (parents not allowed in program area/past that desk). Not sure about overnight camp.
2) visiting family in a state that is less cautious about distancing
- sure
3) considering outdoor playdates
- 1000% yes.
4) playground visits
- 1000% yes.

Kids are 10 and 7. I have no idea what educational attainment has to do with anything but we are college educated. We are also politically engaged.

I have same age kids. I’m not judging, I’m genuinely curious, do you not think your kids will get it, or do you think it will be mild if they do?

Both, I guess. It’s just not something I’m super worried about. We’ve been doing outdoor play dates since late April and playgrounds since May and they’ve been in camp for a week.

So you are like in your 30s with no risk factors?

No, we are 44 and 42.

I should add that we both tested positive for COVID back in late March and early April.

Oh, I see. Yeah so it’s likely you have immunity. That must be so reassuring.

DP, who is also doing much the same as the PP (will send our kids to camp, time outdoors, etc.), and here's how I see it: there's evidence to suggest the virus doesn't spread easily between kids. What's on us as the adults in the family is to then limit *our* interactions with other adults. We'll take on the risk that our kids might get it and spread it to us, but we're not doing things that would be high risk to other adults: we're not going to restaurants, or gyms, or salons, or any of the indoor spaces that present the greatest risk for transmission. We're also not going to crowded outdoor areas. What we're doing is not no risk, but it's also low risk, not only for our family, but for the community as a whole. Part of our reasoning is that it's quite likely our kids won't have school in the Fall, i.e., these restrictions will be around longer than is tenable for our family to have no human interaction beyond our immediate family. So, we balance the risk where we can.

This website does a good job, IMO, of presenting the science as it changes: https://explaincovid.org/

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Anonymous wrote:1) sending them to camp if it opens
- yes, my kids are at a day camp for 8 hours every day. 50 kids, 4 teachers, at an elementary school. No one wears masks except for the staff person who sits at the desk to sign kids in and out at pick up and drop off (parents not allowed in program area/past that desk). Not sure about overnight camp.
2) visiting family in a state that is less cautious about distancing
- sure
3) considering outdoor playdates
- 1000% yes.
4) playground visits
- 1000% yes.

Kids are 10 and 7. I have no idea what educational attainment has to do with anything but we are college educated. We are also politically engaged.

I have same age kids. I’m not judging, I’m genuinely curious, do you not think your kids will get it, or do you think it will be mild if they do?

Both, I guess. It’s just not something I’m super worried about. We’ve been doing outdoor play dates since late April and playgrounds since May and they’ve been in camp for a week.

So you are like in your 30s with no risk factors?

No, we are 44 and 42.

I should add that we both tested positive for COVID back in late March and early April.

Oh, I see. Yeah so it’s likely you have immunity. That must be so reassuring.

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Anonymous wrote:The following exchange really concerns me, and I keep seeing it:

"I have same age kids. I’m not judging, I’m genuinely curious, do you not think your kids will get it, or do you think it will be mild if they do?"

"Both, I guess. It’s just not something I’m super worried about. We’ve been doing outdoor play dates since late April and playgrounds since May and they’ve been in camp for a week."

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I'm sure these are *probably* not terribly inaccurate risk assessments for your personal family. But this is not a "to each their own" "live and let live" "do what's best for your own family" kind of situation.

I can't claim to have all of the answers. But I do know that the more people like you do these things, the more likely you are to aid the spread of the virus to much more vulnerable people, somewhere down the line. That's just kinda the way it works.

+1. I agree completely. These types of comments make me want to be even more vigilant in keeping us safe.

Ok, today's mommy.

Stop being so childishly defensive, PP. Your guilt will not be assuaged by nonsense attacks.