Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

I don't want to get sick for several weeks and then spend a month recovering. There are lingering side effects now, they are learning.

No thanks. I'm not planning on getting this disease.

I think the reality is we all are going to get it at some point but how it impacts us will be different as some don't have any symptoms.

It seems like most people have serious symptoms. Just because they don't go to the hospital and go on a ventilator or die doesn't mean they're not miserably ill, and it doesn't mean they won't have serious side effects that last -- who knows how long.

Again, no thanks. I am avoiding this virus like the plague.

What is this tripe? Most people have serious symptoms? Most don't. The antibody studies from New York and Boston and LA and Miami and the prisons show the vast majority showed either no symptoms or barely any symptoms. Are you burying your head in the sand and singing la la la because you'd rather live in fear and get a perverse pleasure out of doom and gloom and post-apocalyptic scenarios and COVID-19 porn?

Exactly. This is not the Black Death. This primarily kills the elderly. They should shelter. All of us should not!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

Yes, I've been saying this over and over! (And I help care for two elderly parents.) Social distancing does next to nothing to actually help the elderly.

In fact I'd sharpen it to:

I'm saying maybe we should focus on directing resources to the door to Grandma's house and not diverting resources to Grandma's entire state to protect her.

If even a fraction of the $$$ spent on stimulus checks and unemployment had been used for training, PPE, testing and hazard pay for nursing/ elderly care workers, (plus delivery services reserved for the medically vulnerable) that would have actually reduced deaths.

Yes, we are not directing resources where they are most needed by continuing to pretend everyone is equally at risk.

Agreed. We are literally spending trillions of dollars right now as a country, it seems like some directed investment/measures towards nursing homes/assisted living facilities could go a much longer way to actually protect the residents and workers there than blanket shutdowns, like:

1) Require workers to only work at one facility right now and provide adequate pay to compensate.
2) Provide sick leave and continually test workers
3) Provide adequate PPE

It doesn't take much for this disease to spread through a facility once there- you need to assume that some staff members WILL get it and have measures in place to mitigate spread.

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If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

Yes, I've been saying this over and over! (And I help care for two elderly parents.) Social distancing does next to nothing to actually help the elderly.

In fact I'd sharpen it to:

I'm saying maybe we should focus on directing resources to the door to Grandma's house and not diverting resources to Grandma's entire state to protect her.

If even a fraction of the $$$ spent on stimulus checks and unemployment had been used for training, PPE, testing and hazard pay for nursing/ elderly care workers, (plus delivery services reserved for the medically vulnerable) that would have actually reduced deaths.

Most things that go to grandma's door are because grandma or someone is private paying. Most of the nursing homes struggling are medicaid beds and they are choosing not to buy what they need justifying it as medicaid doesn't pay well, when they do. We used to hear that all the time and we knew the pay rate and would call them out when they'd say it as they refused to show us what they billed to medicaid. Lots of medicaid fraud.

Anonymous wrote:

If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

Yes, I've been saying this over and over! (And I help care for two elderly parents.) Social distancing does next to nothing to actually help the elderly.

In fact I'd sharpen it to:

I'm saying maybe we should focus on directing resources to the door to Grandma's house and not diverting resources to Grandma's entire state to protect her.

If even a fraction of the $$$ spent on stimulus checks and unemployment had been used for training, PPE, testing and hazard pay for nursing/ elderly care workers, (plus delivery services reserved for the medically vulnerable) that would have actually reduced deaths.

Yes, we are not directing resources where they are most needed by continuing to pretend everyone is equally at risk.

I expect we will recover in a few centuries...just like Black Death.

If everyone believes what OP is writing and then things magically becomes better...it would be a thing of beauty.

Unfortunately, most people with somewhat of an option cannot drink this Koolaid. It is dire and right now there is no hope.

If wishes were pigs and all...

If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

Yes, I've been saying this over and over! (And I help care for two elderly parents.) Social distancing does next to nothing to actually help the elderly.

In fact I'd sharpen it to:

I'm saying maybe we should focus on directing resources to the door to Grandma's house and not diverting resources to Grandma's entire state to protect her.

If even a fraction of the $$$ spent on stimulus checks and unemployment had been used for training, PPE, testing and hazard pay for nursing/ elderly care workers, (plus delivery services reserved for the medically vulnerable) that would have actually reduced deaths.

Anonymous wrote:Also, can we stop with the long term effects fearmongering? We’ve known about this thing since November.

You can stop with your nonsense, yes. We have known about this since January or, more generally, February.

Also, can we stop with the long term effects fearmongering? We’ve known about this thing since November.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

I don't want to get sick for several weeks and then spend a month recovering. There are lingering side effects now, they are learning.

No thanks. I'm not planning on getting this disease.

I think the reality is we all are going to get it at some point but how it impacts us will be different as some don't have any symptoms.

It seems like most people have serious symptoms. Just because they don't go to the hospital and go on a ventilator or die doesn't mean they're not miserably ill, and it doesn't mean they won't have serious side effects that last -- who knows how long.

Again, no thanks. I am avoiding this virus like the plague.

Evidence that most have serious symptoms?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

I don't want to get sick for several weeks and then spend a month recovering. There are lingering side effects now, they are learning.

No thanks. I'm not planning on getting this disease.

I think the reality is we all are going to get it at some point but how it impacts us will be different as some don't have any symptoms.

It seems like most people have serious symptoms. Just because they don't go to the hospital and go on a ventilator or die doesn't mean they're not miserably ill, and it doesn't mean they won't have serious side effects that last -- who knows how long.

Again, no thanks. I am avoiding this virus like the plague.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people who work in nursing homes: work other jobs also to get by, do not have any paid sick leave so can’t take time off work when sick, do not have no or inadequate health insurance so are not in good health themselves. It’s no surprise people in nursing homes are getting sick when the people who work in those places are treated so poorly. No wonder the virus is spreading rapidly in nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

Sorry should say *have no or inadequate health insurance not “do not have no”

They also will be terminated if they get sick or complain. Many who do the day to day hard work are CNA's and they are paid very badly and treated badly between the residents, especially the dementia ones and admin.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

I don't want to get sick for several weeks and then spend a month recovering. There are lingering side effects now, they are learning.

No thanks. I'm not planning on getting this disease.

I think the reality is we all are going to get it at some point but how it impacts us will be different as some don't have any symptoms.

Anonymous wrote:If the major cause of spread and fatalities have been identified, what makes more sense? Shut society down and send out unemployment checks to millions? Or use a fraction of those funds to provide long term care facilities with proper PPE and rapid tests to quickly identify and contain new outbreaks?

I'm not trying to sacrifice Grandma, I'm saying maybe we should focus on the door to Grandma's house and not Grandma's entire state to protect her.

I don't want to get sick for several weeks and then spend a month recovering. There are lingering side effects now, they are learning.

No thanks. I'm not planning on getting this disease.