Anonymous
04/17/2020 16:02
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Here is the thing people that want to open up don't seem to be taking into consideration.
15.2% of Americans are over the age of 65
10.5% of have diabetes.
6.7% have heart disease
7% have autoimmune disease
7.7% of adults have asthma (8.4% of children, too)
Even accounting for overlap between conditions, that's a large % of our community that is vulnerable. This doesn't even take into account the number of people that live with the vulnerable, or work with them, which would significantly increase those numbers. With, at a minimum, something like 30% of the community quarantined, how do you get back to business as usual?
15.2% of Americans are over the age of 65
10.5% of have diabetes.
6.7% have heart disease
7% have autoimmune disease
7.7% of adults have asthma (8.4% of children, too)
Even accounting for overlap between conditions, that's a large % of our community that is vulnerable. This doesn't even take into account the number of people that live with the vulnerable, or work with them, which would significantly increase those numbers. With, at a minimum, something like 30% of the community quarantined, how do you get back to business as usual?
Anonymous
04/17/2020 16:00
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?
For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.
I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.
Maybe give this a bit more thought? Social distancing has kept death numbers low so you want to end social distancing? That's like building a levee to prevent floods and then dismantling it because you haven't had a flood.
We have to take the necessary steps to prevent a resurgence before we can re-open safely. Of course, if you want to open unsafely, please go first.
Exactly.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:41
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?
For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.
I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.
Maybe give this a bit more thought? Social distancing has kept death numbers low so you want to end social distancing? That's like building a levee to prevent floods and then dismantling it because you haven't had a flood.
We have to take the necessary steps to prevent a resurgence before we can re-open safely. Of course, if you want to open unsafely, please go first.
Pp, you couldn’t make better sense. I think people also forget that at any time, any one of us might need to go to the ER for something unrelated to the virus. I’m already hearing stories about how those people haven’t been giving priority and are dying from things that could’ve been treated. Everything is cyclical. We must all do our part.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:33
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Prove it. Go get it and report back in three weeks. Tell us how mild it is.
jsteele
04/17/2020 15:29
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?
For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.
I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.
Maybe give this a bit more thought? Social distancing has kept death numbers low so you want to end social distancing? That's like building a levee to prevent floods and then dismantling it because you haven't had a flood.
We have to take the necessary steps to prevent a resurgence before we can re-open safely. Of course, if you want to open unsafely, please go first.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:22
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Exactly. I mean just look at VA’s number of deaths. For a state this big, we have 231 deaths. Most of those deaths are coming from people over 70 years old with other complications. I mean, yeah I understand social distancing and whatnot, but is all of this worth it for such a low number of people?
For all the people who give the stats on car accidents, the flu, a shooting, etc as being risks that are just as deadly....it’s hard to argue against them at this point.
I’m game for doing this for another month. But if the numbers remain low, people are going to be pissed off if they’re losing their livelihoods just because 300 people died.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:22
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Has anybody heard the most recent rough translations podcast about South Korean contact tracing?
jsteele
04/17/2020 15:21
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
That would be a mortality rate 10 times that of the regular flu and would result in potentially millions of deaths (depending on the spread of infection).
But again, feel free to risk your and your family's lives. Just don't expect others to do it for you.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:16
Subject: Re:"Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pretty certain that at least some people who aren’t part of the “ruling” class would benefit if some businesses opened up if it was deemed safe by reasonable governors of their respective states.
They will benefit right up to the point that they are infected with coronavirus.
And 99% plus will survive it and go on to see another day.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:14
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I want testing combined with contact tracing. If you tested positive for COVID-19, I don't want to be around you - that's obvious. But if you came in contact with someone with COVID-19, well, I don't want to be around you EITHER.
But maybe the administration doesn't want to do contact tracing, because that will mean more people in quarantine and a slowed and hampered economic recovery. Maybe Trump just wants to roll the dice, skip the whole tracing part of dealing with pandemics solution, and let the market "bounce back big".
Unfortunately, there is little trust with this administration.
How do you mandate the contact tracing? We know China requires every adult to carry a smart phone, but here we still have people using dumb phones!
Even if contact tracing is just 50% reliable, it's way better than nothing and useful. You can use techology to contact trace, but there's also the tried and true method of contact tracing through healthcare field workers. You aren't going to get every single contact but you have to do your best and it works, it saves lives. This is pandemic 101 stuff, blocking and tackling.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:12
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?
I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.
Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?
Roche Molecular Systems
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/protocol-v2-1.pdf?sfvrsn=a9ef618c_2
Chinese scientists published the originators of sequences in GISAID on Jan 13. German scientists developed "Diagnostic detection of 2019-nCoV by real-time RT-PCR" on Jan 17.
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:09
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:I want testing combined with contact tracing. If you tested positive for COVID-19, I don't want to be around you - that's obvious. But if you came in contact with someone with COVID-19, well, I don't want to be around you EITHER.
But maybe the administration doesn't want to do contact tracing, because that will mean more people in quarantine and a slowed and hampered economic recovery. Maybe Trump just wants to roll the dice, skip the whole tracing part of dealing with pandemics solution, and let the market "bounce back big".
Unfortunately, there is little trust with this administration.
How do you mandate the contact tracing? We know China requires every adult to carry a smart phone, but here we still have people using dumb phones!
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:05
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
I want testing combined with contact tracing. If you tested positive for COVID-19, I don't want to be around you - that's obvious. But if you came in contact with someone with COVID-19, well, I don't want to be around you EITHER.
But maybe the administration doesn't want to do contact tracing, because that will mean more people in quarantine and a slowed and hampered economic recovery. Maybe Trump just wants to roll the dice, skip the whole tracing part of dealing with pandemics solution, and let the market "bounce back big".
Unfortunately, there is little trust with this administration.
But maybe the administration doesn't want to do contact tracing, because that will mean more people in quarantine and a slowed and hampered economic recovery. Maybe Trump just wants to roll the dice, skip the whole tracing part of dealing with pandemics solution, and let the market "bounce back big".
Unfortunately, there is little trust with this administration.
jsteele
04/17/2020 15:05
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?
I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.
Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?
Roche Molecular Systems
Anonymous
04/17/2020 15:01
Subject: "Opening up" means risking your life
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. Which WHO test are you referring to?
2. Where exactly are these WHO tests?
I am not sure if you are just being argumentative or you really want to know. But a German laboratory developed a coronavirus test that was adopted by the WHO and offered to other countries. The US developed its own test which was initially flawed. I am not sure which countries are using the WHO test now, but I believe Germany is since it was developed there.
Am very interested in more info about this German test. Is there a name to it, or a company name?