Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Do you rate Albion above Alma? How about Adrian? Olivet?

Hillsdale I can see. It has a national rep, drawing 2/3ds of its students from out-of-state. Kids actually work hard there. Lots of required courses. Tuition is kept low, because students can't use taxpayer-subsidized loans to pay their tuition.

UM-Ann Arbor pads its coffers by drawing upwards of half its student body from out-of-state (and these out-of-staters pay big bucks to attend a sports-obsessed factory).

Indiana and Miami University fit the movie ideal of the perfect campus setting.

Isn't Kalamazoo a hippie school?

Who wants to freeze his ass off at MSU?

Why go to Detroit-Mercy when Wayne State is available? And Wayne State is closer to the DIA.

Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

An interesting take. As to your "Tier 1" here are my comments: Notre Dame -- perhaps, if you're Catholic (and not terribly orthodox); Northwestern -- if you want to attend the second-best school in Chicago; Duke -- if you like partying, basketball, and identity politics; USC -- who cares?; Ivies -- if you belong to one of the correct demographic groups.

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1. This list makes no sense

+2 UPer The list makes for a good laugh though!

+ 1000 what is this list?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1. This list makes no sense

+2 UPer The list makes for a good laugh though!

Current Michigan resident with now youngest a high school senior.

UofM is absolutely college considered be the better college in many programs. You need better gpa and better test scores to get in than Michigan State. It is not the “better” school in some programs though certainly still very good. It also probably not worth the money for out of state folks to come if the are looking at programs that are not top notch for the school. Save money and go elsewhere. Like many big colleges it’s reputation is largely based on its graduate programs. For in state, the cost difference is negligible between UofM and MSU or another school so absent one of those areas where another school is clearly “better” - go to UofM.

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

+1. This list makes no sense

Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yeah this is totally wrong and weird

-- Michigan native

Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Unless you live in LA, USC is so overrated it's not even funny.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that Michiganders view UM-Ann Arbor as a school for the in-state privileged and the out-of-state affluent.

Of course, if the football team doesn't start winning big games, all of that could change.

You didn't hear that Michigan is s now a basketball school? Seriously, nobody in the Big 10 can complete with Ohio State. Now that so many players stay for only three years and couldn't give a crap about a degree, Michigan has lost a recruiting edge.

Give it a few years. Urban Meyer is gone and the current OSU coach is no proven commodity.

Urban Meyer had a Darth Vader component. I'm more worried about Ryan Day and so far his recruiting has been just as good.

One class based largely on the success of Meyer’s players and a very good QB falling into their laps. It’ll take years to see what kind of coach Day is. (And they got whipped when it mattered. Let’s not forget that.)

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Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Excuse me while I spit out my drink. This is ...not it.
-Michigan native

I’ll guess Albion grad. So many things wrong above it’s hard to know where to start.

Anonymous wrote:To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Excuse me while I spit out my drink. This is ...not it.
-Michigan native

To in-state private school families, it generally goes like this below. Many families with high stat kids choose private tier 2s over huge Michigan for undergrad studies. Paying out-of-state tuition at Indiana is a way to flaunt your family money over sending your average stats kid to Michigan State.

Tier 1: Notre Dame, Northwestern, Duke, USC, Ivies
Tier 2: Michigan, Kalamazoo, Hillsdale, Albion
Tier 3: Indiana, Hope, Miami-OH, Dayton, Loyola-Chicago
Tier 4: Michigan State, U of Detroit-Mercy
Tier 5: the rest, as all the rest are basically open admit

Yes, UM is viewed as the most academically elite and competitive university in the state by locals; yes, the other state schools are also good and loved! Can't go wrong with Ann Arbor.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that Michiganders view UM-Ann Arbor as a school for the in-state privileged and the out-of-state affluent.

Of course, if the football team doesn't start winning big games, all of that could change.

You didn't hear that Michigan is s now a basketball school? Seriously, nobody in the Big 10 can complete with Ohio State. Now that so many players stay for only three years and couldn't give a crap about a degree, Michigan has lost a recruiting edge.

Give it a few years. Urban Meyer is gone and the current OSU coach is no proven commodity.

Urban Meyer had a Darth Vader component. I'm more worried about Ryan Day and so far his recruiting has been just as good.

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that Michiganders view UM-Ann Arbor as a school for the in-state privileged and the out-of-state affluent.

Of course, if the football team doesn't start winning big games, all of that could change.

You didn't hear that Michigan is s now a basketball school? Seriously, nobody in the Big 10 can complete with Ohio State. Now that so many players stay for only three years and couldn't give a crap about a degree, Michigan has lost a recruiting edge.

U of M is by far the academic leader. Also, In the last 5 years, U of M has been in the Final 4(basketball), Frozen 4(hockey), and the College World Series(baseball). Football has let us down recently.

- Michigan Alumni

This was unexpected and so exciting! I really enjoyed it.