Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 01:06     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Women are unpaid at home and underpaid at work. Sucks to be a woman.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 01:04     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Most households cannot afford a SAHM and most households do not have a SAHM.

SAHMs on DCUM are mainly those who have a high HHI.
Anonymous
Post 03/06/2020 00:37     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
If I watch my neighbor's kid for 30K a year, and she watches my kid for 30K a year, our respective HHIs will go up by 30K.

I find it very interesting. No. No mother or grandmother is being paid to do this work and will not be paid in future to do this work also.

The article just informs that most people would not be able to afford a SAHM or a SAHM substitute if they paid for the labor.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 16:11     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
I remember hearing something a few years ago that this was one of the reasons that micro loans didn’t really work out the way people thought they would. There was this idea that if women weren’t making money, then they weren’t working. But in reality, most women are very busy with day to day unpaid labor and really don’t have a lot of time and energy to devote to developing new businesses.

Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 16:00     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?


1. What do you think “this argument” is?

2. No, that’s not the implication.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:58     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
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Anonymous wrote:God you people are so dumb. The article is not arguing that people "should" be paid for this work, like getting groceries.

The point is that the time and effort spent on getting groceries is something that is almost always overlooked and it is a necessary task. You can't function in life without food. Someone has to shop for and cook it. Usually that person is not paid for doing and usually they're not even thanked.

The point is that tasks like these should NOT be overlooked. Is that really something you disagree with?


I think people think it is dumb because everybody gets groceries, everybody. They don't consider it unpaid work. It's necessary, everybody does it, not just non working people. It's done by everybody so it's a silly thing to count.


Just because everybody does it doesn’t mean it isn’t unpaid work, how is this hard to understand?


NP. If everyone does it, it's not worth counting, IMO. 1 = 1


????

Unpaid labor has a specific, objective definition, the purpose of which is to quantify how much work is being done that isn’t paid. Why include “and things that not everybody does” in the definition?


You must not be good at math. That's okay, let your husband manage the budget.


You are responding with emotions instead of logic because you want your mundane efforts that everybody does to count for more.

Caring for an elderly parent all day instead of work is unpaid work.

Getting groceries, driving people around, and bringing your own plate to the sink... not unpaid work.


I’m not making this up because I’m a crazy woman. I didn’t make it up at all. Economists did. If somebody wants to go change the definition of unpaid labor, fine, but don’t look at me.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:33     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
DH here: I’m drawing up an invoice now for all the home IT support I do.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:32     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:God you people are so dumb. The article is not arguing that people "should" be paid for this work, like getting groceries.

The point is that the time and effort spent on getting groceries is something that is almost always overlooked and it is a necessary task. You can't function in life without food. Someone has to shop for and cook it. Usually that person is not paid for doing and usually they're not even thanked.

The point is that tasks like these should NOT be overlooked. Is that really something you disagree with?


I think people think it is dumb because everybody gets groceries, everybody. They don't consider it unpaid work. It's necessary, everybody does it, not just non working people. It's done by everybody so it's a silly thing to count.


Just because everybody does it doesn’t mean it isn’t unpaid work, how is this hard to understand?


NP. If everyone does it, it's not worth counting, IMO. 1 = 1


????

Unpaid labor has a specific, objective definition, the purpose of which is to quantify how much work is being done that isn’t paid. Why include “and things that not everybody does” in the definition?


You must not be good at math. That's okay, let your husband manage the budget.


You are responding with emotions instead of logic because you want your mundane efforts that everybody does to count for more.

Caring for an elderly parent all day instead of work is unpaid work.

Getting groceries, driving people around, and bringing your own plate to the sink... not unpaid work.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:30     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?


I don’t think the argument is that women should get paid, just that there is this sense, particularly in undeveloped countries, that women aren’t contributing to the economy. And the reason for that is because so much of this work is unpaid. Once you “pay” women for their work, even in a theoretical sense, you get a much better picture of how much they are contributing.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:25     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think I should necessarily get paid for what I do as a stay at home mom (I don’t like the transactional nature of that idea), but I appreciate articles like this just because people undervalue and under-appreciate unpair labor. Some people (not DCUM people) think SAHMs don’t contribute because we don’t earn.


I would appreciate it if they measure all unpaid work by all people.

I don't think 1 group actually has cornered the market on unpaid work.

Agree.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:22     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. My husband does an equal amount, more in some aspects. This is just another way of holding women to domestic jobs.




+1. I married a feminist man who does his fair share around the house - laundry, vacuuming, grocery shopping, general cleaning, making lunches and picking up when possible. My brother is the one who took care of both aging parents. Women, this narrative persists as long as we marry the fools who won't help out! Teach your sons to do their part!


Glaringly strange in this comment how it's not your feminist husband's job to teach the sons to do their part.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:19     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
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Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. My husband does an equal amount, more in some aspects. This is just another way of holding women to domestic jobs.




+1. I married a feminist man who does his fair share around the house - laundry, vacuuming, grocery shopping, general cleaning, making lunches and picking up when possible. My brother is the one who took care of both aging parents. Women, this narrative persists as long as we marry the fools who won't help out! Teach your sons to do their part!


Amen.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:15     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:Nonsense. My husband does an equal amount, more in some aspects. This is just another way of holding women to domestic jobs.




+1. I married a feminist man who does his fair share around the house - laundry, vacuuming, grocery shopping, general cleaning, making lunches and picking up when possible. My brother is the one who took care of both aging parents. Women, this narrative persists as long as we marry the fools who won't help out! Teach your sons to do their part!
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:09     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:God you people are so dumb. The article is not arguing that people "should" be paid for this work, like getting groceries.

The point is that the time and effort spent on getting groceries is something that is almost always overlooked and it is a necessary task. You can't function in life without food. Someone has to shop for and cook it. Usually that person is not paid for doing and usually they're not even thanked.

The point is that tasks like these should NOT be overlooked. Is that really something you disagree with?


I think people think it is dumb because everybody gets groceries, everybody. They don't consider it unpaid work. It's necessary, everybody does it, not just non working people. It's done by everybody so it's a silly thing to count.


Just because everybody does it doesn’t mean it isn’t unpaid work, how is this hard to understand?


NP. If everyone does it, it's not worth counting, IMO. 1 = 1


????

Unpaid labor has a specific, objective definition, the purpose of which is to quantify how much work is being done that isn’t paid. Why include “and things that not everybody does” in the definition?


You must not be good at math. That's okay, let your husband manage the budget.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 15:07     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:God you people are so dumb. The article is not arguing that people "should" be paid for this work, like getting groceries.

The point is that the time and effort spent on getting groceries is something that is almost always overlooked and it is a necessary task. You can't function in life without food. Someone has to shop for and cook it. Usually that person is not paid for doing and usually they're not even thanked.

The point is that tasks like these should NOT be overlooked. Is that really something you disagree with?


I think people think it is dumb because everybody gets groceries, everybody. They don't consider it unpaid work. It's necessary, everybody does it, not just non working people. It's done by everybody so it's a silly thing to count.


Just because everybody does it doesn’t mean it isn’t unpaid work, how is this hard to understand?


NP. If everyone does it, it's not worth counting, IMO. 1 = 1


????

Unpaid labor has a specific, objective definition, the purpose of which is to quantify how much work is being done that isn’t paid. Why include “and things that not everybody does” in the definition?